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  1. Lord Of The Internet

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    It's good to be back in the real world. i just got home today, but i got out of US federal prison last month. they make you live in a halfway-house for a while before you can actually go home.

    i originally got arrested in 2012 as part of "operation adam bomb". After spending a months in different federal holding facilities, including I.C.E. (immigration and customs enforcement), I ended up getting bail for $250,000. Then, I spent 2 years on house arrest before actually going to regular federal prison.

    i was lucky to only spend a little over 1.5 years actually locked up in prison. you get time off for "good behavior" and also the halfway-house is counted towards your sentence.

    freedom is a precious thing, so never take it for granted.
     
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    I am not a fan of locking people up for non-violent crimes. Many of the laws on the books - in my opinion - are there to give the government control over what we do. Fortunately, with the internet changing the way we interchange information, they cannot so easily control what we think, as they did when I was a young man. This makes me remember the song "all in all your just another brick in the wall" - which was a protest against the system of keeping people's thoughts in line.
    Best wishes to you! Stay free!
     
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  3. tungfa

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    yo yo yooooo
    long time indeed !
    whow i remember when u had to go in , were worried what to do with your mns and such ... dam how time flies , good for u you are out !
    welcome back , i believe u have some catching up to do :rolleyes:
     
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  4. Lord Of The Internet

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    yup. i'm a strong advocate for abolishing victimless crimes. consenting adults should be free to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't directly effect anyone else.

    i learned firsthand that the whole justice system is one huge business. sadly, it's all about money and control.

    i'm actually very happy and fortunate i only got a 24 month sentence. when i first got arrested, it looked like we were all going to get life sentences.


    i have a LOT of catching up to do in a lot of ways.
    i need to lookup why darkcoin was changed to dash. for a few seconds when i first got back online, i thought darkcoin had disappeared :eek:
     
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    It's good to see you mate!
     
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    Have u changed? [​IMG]
     
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    @Lord Of The Internet
    What were 3 the most difficult things in prison for you (and why if possible)?
     
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    @Lord Of The Internet

    "operation adam bomb" -- that was Th Frmrs Mrkt right? How were they able to disclose it over Tor?
     
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    The one who controls the BGP AS can discover anything he wants.
    As long as BGP remains the main routing protocol for internet, there is no way to avoid the disclosure.
     
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    The answer to both of these questions are kind of intertwined.


    I definitely have changed. Some changes have made me better and some have made me worse.

    I'll start with the good ... I no longer take anything in life for granted. Even small things that you wouldn't ever think of are more comforting than you would ever imagine. Like having a pillow, for example. I also better appreciate the love I get from my family and friends. I didn't realize just how important they were to me until they were taken away, which is the single most difficult thing about being incarcerated. What's also difficult is that I didn't realize what they were willing to go through on my behalf and I feel very guilty. I owe some of them a debt I can probably never repay.

    I have also changed in some bad ways. I'm no longer an optimist. I blindly went through life thinking that as long as people do what they believe to be right, everything will always end up fine. And now I don't believe that is true. Me and my friends hold strong beliefs in personal freedom, including the right to put whatever you want into your own body. Although I don't see anything morally wrong with selling heroin, for example, I only sold non addictive drugs because I didn't want to be personally connected to something that is likely to impact someone's life in a negative way. We could have made a lot more money but chose to only sell hallucinogens and marijuana, in part, because those substances can actually help people. And even if used recreationally, those substances are unlikely to hurt anyone.

    I also used to be a pacifist. But due to incarceration, I've been forced into violent situations. I wish I could have held to those views and turned the other cheek. And I feel that is actually the stronger way to approach a situation. But I couldn't let myself become a victim, so I fought, and now I've hurt people. I never would have imagined myself being a violent person but now, I am.

    Doing things you never thought yourself capable of is another one of the harder things about being in prison. I had a lot of reasons for my actions like self-preservation, ego, comfort, anger, etc. But it still doesn't completely excuse them. Just so you understand a little better, I'll tell you guys one of many stories. I actually had a prison bitch. No, I am not gay and never did anything remotely sexual while in prison. But weird things do happen. It started by me befriending a huge hispanic guy that was in the Latin Kings gang by doing a lot of business with him. Like finding people to buy certain thing from him and getting money wired to him. The Latin King had a prison bitch that he was looking out for ... a weird, fat kid who was there for wire fraud, who would be taken advantage of without some sort of protection. They ended up having this strange mutual romance that'll I'll never quite understand. But they were both nice guys and I hung out with them a lot. Anyways ... the Latin King ended up getting a transfer to an institution closer to his wife and kids, so he knew he was leaving soon. He ended up "giving" me his bitch because he wanted someone he trusted to take care of the weird fat kid. I ended up keeping my bitch till the day I left and no one messed with him. And luckily, the weird fat kid got released a few weeks after me, so I'm pretty sure he's doing fine. Weird fat kid made a lot of sexual advances towards me but I had definitely not been locked up long enough to even consider accepting. I did let him do a lot of favors for me though. Like running random errands. And being my personal lookout to warn me and my friends when the guards were coming close, which was very helpful. I needed a lookout a lot because I got prison tattoos, drank wine, and smoked. And never got caught doing any of those things which saved me from having to go to the hole. I did have to go to the hole only once though, for getting caught fighting. The hole is straight up hell on earth, but that's a story for another day.


    Yup, we were "the farmer's market" and came out before dark web sites went mainstream with the silk road. I went by the name of "jootgatter". We're not ENTIRELY sure how they caught us. But part of it has to do with Hushmail cooperating with law enforcement. That doesn't explain everything though because we used VPNs, tor, mail forwarding services, and a lot of encryption. My lawyer is under the impression that the DEA did a lot of "parallel construction" of evidence using their SOD division. https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/feb/03/dea-parallel-construction-guides/
    I know something very fishy was going on because the 60something page indictment had a large amount of evidence in it that was straight up false, along with some made up associations and communications. But the indictment and evidence also had little tidbits in there that seem next to impossible for them to know.

    At first, I wondered why law enforcement would put so much effort into catching people like us that were so small-time in the grand scheme of things. But I found out they were really after ross ulbricht and the silk road. I don't know about my co-conspirators but I, personally, got a lot of extrajudicial treatment. Like being "disappeared" when I was first arrested by being thrown into I.C.E. (immigration and customs enforcement) and getting interrogated many many times without being able to speak with a lawyer. During the interrogations, I quickly came to realize that they either thought I was the dread pirate or could, at least, lead them to him. It turns out that Ulbricht got arrested about a block away from where my brother lives in San Francisco and a lot of travel patterns or communications must have matched up. I have a feeling what we never would have been in their crosshairs if they hadn't wanted to arrest the silk road admin so badly.
     
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    whow ... crazy ... tx for the honestly
     
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    Thanks @Lord Of The Internet !
    - this is really good one.
    I have learned (and gained) a lot from my worst life experience and it looks like your experience gave something to you as well. I wish you all the best!
     
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    absolutely. the only thing you should do with bad experiences is try to learn: make as much good from them as possible.
     
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    are you angry on justice system?
     
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    absolutely. i have an unhealthy hatred for the united states justice system. before being arrested, it was a general mistrust. but after personal experience and hearing horror stories from other prisoners, i believe it to be pure evil.

    the vast majority of people who have been incarcerated or are currently in prison believe the same thing. when you add up the numbers, which is something like 10% of the US population, you realize there's a gigantic group of people who are ready for some kind of revolution.
     
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    What did you miss the most?
     
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    my family :(

    they came to visit but it made me fell guilty.
     
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    was / is the aggression between prisoners and guards and prisoners on prisoners as bad as it always seems in documentaries and movies ?
     
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    the answer is kind of yes and no. where i was at, there were about 600 convicts on my compound and there was about 1 actual fight a day ... mostly just shit talking though and a few punches thrown.

    in higher security prisons, there are actually less number of fights but they are much more severe with stabbings, deaths, burnings, etc. in the higher security prisons, the convicts are in there for life, so they don't give a shit if they get another 20 years added to their sentence for stabbing someone.

    one brutal thing that someone did was microwave peanutbutter for about an hour and then throw it on someone's face. then, the guards took out all the microwaves :(


    one thing i forgot to say is that SOME of the guards are sadistic pieces of shit. and most are just control freak assholes. a very small minority are actually nice. the sadistic ones, if they think they can get away with it, will beat the shit out of you for no reason. that happened to me once while i was in san bernadino state prison because i was waiting for a spot in the overcrowded fed facility in the area. i was in line for "medical" to get my seizure medication and i guess i looked at him the wrong way.
     
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    Are prisoners accepting crypto yet for trading in jail ?
     
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    no phones - no computer access i imagine
     
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    Welcome back!!! I'm glad you are out. I remember your messages about this before going in like it was yesterday... time really flies, even if it has probably been much longer for you.

    Prison has always scared the shit out of me, probably because it is a big unknown, so thanks for being so open. Hold to what you still have and try not to go too bitter. I too rediscovered the love of my family almost a couple years ago when one of my younger sisters died. It is amazing how something as fortuitous as ADN ties us together :)
     
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    lol. nope. i wish. there are cellpones in there but you have to smuggle it up your ass. any internet capable phone would be too big for me. :)

    you can also bribe the guards to let them use their phone for a few minutes.



    but sadly, you are forced to barter using postal stamps, mackeral pouches, and man pussy. i went with the first two :p
     
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    It had nothing to do with tor, and the entire prosecution is public record. I studied this back when it happened and it was just one facepalm after another. They had no idea how the tech worked, and didn't work, that they were using. I have no idea why it took more than a week to catch them... It's more a testament to government incompetence than anything else. These guys did everything short of walk right into the local DEA office and announce themselves. They made the ultimate low-hanging fruit out of themselves and had no idea they were doing it.

    Frankly, I question the OP's identity. There's no way he doesn't know exactly how it went down. Just dirty Feds fishing for leads on a forum, most likely.
     
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    I get a lot of this kind of stuff because of so much misinformation going around. one example is "OMFG they used paypal!!1!!". Technically, we did. but there IS such a thing as a hacked paypal accounts, expert carders, money launderers, and sweet countries like Panama.



    I can be LOT more open about this now that the cased is over and i'm out of prison.


    For most of my answer, i'll quote myself.


    Can you please name some of these facepalms? Some of the info you read is untrue, i can assure you, and i would be happy to correct the misunderstandings. Other stuff can be easily explained. Keep in mind that we began operating before bitcoin or tor even existed. And this is a decent read about some of these supposed facepalms. https://blog.torproject.org/blog/trip-report-october-fbi-conference

    And what possible reason would I have to lie about my identity? I don't mind doxxing myself because i'm only involved in legal shit nowadays.

    This is enough proof for you:
    https://unsee.cc/zimudeba/
     
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    Just read the court cases... The evidence presented shows holes where alternative methods that aren't fit for prosecution were used to get a lead, then that lead was used to gather further solid evidence.

    It's all a matter of public record. There's no reason to take my word, his word, or any other derp on the Internet's word. There's simply no reason to talk about it AT ALL; except to fish for leads for more people to throw in a cage.

    I disagree wholeheartedly with the idea that anyone should be in prison for a victim-less crime. So, why create yet another mechanism by which exactly that might occur?

    We're not enemies. I would simply like to discourage this conversation altogether.
     
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    i just like to try and educate people about the problem.
     
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    So do something about it.

    Its amazing the extremes of abuse people will tolerate. They talk about revolution, but do they ever act? Look how bad it is in Venezuela, and still no action.

    They claim to be "civilized." That's the reason. I say, is it really "civilized" to allows such uncivilized things to be?

    If you lack the stomach for what needs be done, then I guess you deserve what you tolerate.

    I've made it abundantly clear that I will not go quietly.

    After the first one, the rest are free.
     
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    I am. But i'm not going to talk to "civilians" about it.

    Revolution requires blood and sacrifice. Most people aren't willing to go that far even when necessary.
     
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    Welcome to the unadulterated truth, hope that "red pill" wasn't too hard to swallow! Anarcho-capitalism is the only truly moral ideology out there. Statism is pure evil incarnate!