Do you see value in categorizing proposals as "core" or "community"? Why/why not?

[Solarminer]

I didnt mean just stop paying him.
The protocol may also include the option for all his dash wallet that is affiliated to the budget to be confiscated, if this is the decision of the dash community. Confiscation is taxation.

Besides for setting a really bad precedence that any wallet can be zeroed at the touch of a button, why would anyone keep funds in the same wallet if they knew it would be confiscated. They would just transfer to another wallet. Mix it. Send again. (wallet isn't really the right term but I am making this simple)

Crypto isn't like a credit card - you can just charge up a debt on someone. There is no social security number to track an identity and take future earnings.

 

[DashNation]

Crypto isn't like a credit card - you can just charge up a debt on someone. There is no social security number to track an identity and take future earnings.

And this is why I love crypto.

 

[demo]

Besides for setting a really bad precedence that any wallet can be zeroed at the touch of a button, why would anyone keep funds in the same wallet if they knew it would be confiscated. They would just transfer to another wallet. Mix it. Send again. (wallet isn't really the right term but I am making this simple)

I dindt said ANY wallet may be confiscated. I said specific wallets, affiliated to the budget system should be confiscated if something bad happens. For those specific wallets affiliated to the budget, transactions and money transfer should be recorded and rollback if neccessary, and mixing should be prohibited by the protocol, for a predefined time period.

And I didnt said "at the touch of a button" those specific wallets to be confiscated. I said "after a decision-vote of the community".

It is tottaly different what I proposed, and what you understood. By allowing in the protocol the confiscation of specific targeted wallets after the decision of the community, this threat could enforce people to behave properly. This will turn dash closer to a nation. If you are only based in the good will, and if you dont have a mechanism to enforce and to threat, then it is likely to fail.

 

[TroyDASH]

I dindt said ANY wallet may be confiscated. I said specific wallets, affiliated to the budget system should be confiscated if something bad happens. For those specific wallets affiliated to the budget, transactions and money transfer should be recorded and rollback if neccessary, and mixing should be prohibited by the protocol, for a predefined time period.

And I didnt said "at the touch of a button" those specific wallets to be confiscated. I said "after a decision-vote of the community".

It is tottaly different what I proposed, and what you understood. By allowing in the protocol the confiscation of specific targeted wallets after the decision of the community, this threat could enforce people to behave properly. This will turn dash closer to a nation. If you are only based in the good will, and if you dont have a mechanism to enforce and to threat, then it is likely to fail.

Although it might not be going *exactly* that way, we are moving in that direction with programmable budgets.

 

[demo]

Although it might not be going *exactly* that way, we are moving in that direction with programmable budgets.

Can you give us a link explaining programmable budgets?

 

[Solarminer]

I dindt said ANY wallet may be confiscated. I said specific wallets, affiliated to the budget system should be confiscated if something bad happens. For those specific wallets affiliated to the budget, transactions and money transfer should be recorded and rollback if neccessary, and mixing should be prohibited by the protocol, for a predefined time period.

And I didnt said "at the touch of a button" those specific wallets to be confiscated. I said "after a decision-vote of the community".

It is tottaly different what I proposed, and what you understood. By allowing in the protocol the confiscation of specific targeted wallets after the decision of the community, this threat could enforce people to behave properly. This will turn dash closer to a nation. If you are only based in the good will, and if you dont have a mechanism to enforce and to threat, then it is likely to fail.

You can't rollback a transaction without redesigning code. This is what Ethereum is trying to do with the DAO problems. It is ugly to say the least. If they do it then it allows the possibility to do it in the future - weakening the faith in Ethereum and it's fungibility. If they don't do it the attacker gains a lot of ether.

So even assuming you could 'rollback' a transaction. You would only be able to get back the amount that you paid that person. But more likely that person has already sold their Dash to fiat and the current holder is the one you tax. Think about screwing with fungiblitiy! But even getting back funds you paid someone...that isn't a big incentive to enforce someone to act. The government has much stronger ways (police, jail, or docking future paychecks).

 

[demo]

that isn't a big incentive to enforce someone to act. The government has much stronger ways (police, jail, or docking future paychecks).

It isnt a big incentive for sure. But it is still a small incentive to enforce someone to act. And something small is always better than nothing at all.

 

[camosoul]

You can't rollback a transaction without redesigning code. This is what Ethereum is trying to do with the DAO problems. It is ugly to say the least. If they do it then it allows the possibility to do it in the future - weakening the faith in Ethereum and it's fungibility. If they don't do it the attacker gains a lot of ether.

Fortunately for their market cap, none of the cryptotard bagholders have any idea what this means; 1000% fuxored.