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  1. TaoOfSatoshi

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    You know and I know that a Mod stepped in hastily and used a ban button that has a faulty design on Discord, you were not censored, and you
    DID twice threaten to lodge a grievance against our Moderation team on Dash Talk with Discord, A DIF Supervisor and witness to the affair
    has averred of that after unfortunate autodelete box did not get unticked when applying a sanction, as it stands, two other members were sanctioned
    for their part in the affair, you may return to Dash Talk, if you choose, when your temp ban expires.

    Thread has been closed to further discussion because it belongs in off-topic, not general discussion.
     
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    Ne'ermind, found the way to move the entire thread, have at it guys.
     
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    Tao is a serial liar who constantly tries to rewrite history and is toxic to the Dash community. Luckily I screenshotted most everything he tried to lie about long ago. I'm really surprised he keeps doubling down as the screenshots tell the truth and there are countless people who were there to back up the context. Plus, he already admitted to lying to MNO's about "team moderation" and apologized, now he is backtracking on that. He can't keep his lies straight, what a mess he has created.

    Here are the facts...

    Reddit interaction
    https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/co..._on/e70jj78?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

    Discord interaction
    https://discordapp.com/channels/484546513507188745/496635238995197952/499830711654809600
     
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    It's not much different from watching the Nazis vs Soviets.

    Two extreme left-wing factions eating each other over minutia. Authoritarians with slightly different purity tests, declaring each other to be failures.
    Careful, your wokeness is already showing...

    You smell like Twitter, bruh... You Johnathan Yaniv's boyfriend or something?

    Your repeated use of the word "toxic" shows the context from multiple angles. You define as "toxic" any degree of freedom which allows those who disagree with you to exist. Typical Leftist.

    I left the Discord for the same reason I left the Slack; waayyy too much of this left-wing authoritarian nonsense. This demented word twisting and rule abusing used to suppress those who are not conformists to your left-wing ideology. They become echo chambers of stuck-on-stupid.

    The TaoOfSatoshi cries out as he strikes you...

    Oh, look, another official white paper about Tao not getting his way... I wouldn't be surprised if this incident all turns out to be Trump's fault, somehow...

    Both sides of this BS refer to words as violence. It's just words. You are all a bunch of overly sensitive, bratty, entitled children. Accosted by a message? A stalker in need of a restraining order?

    I say it again as I did in the other thread where you posted your slogan crap; You can't be money for grown-ups if you are in fact, not grown-ups yourselves.

    I warned you about this behavior years ago,but instead of growing up, you have repeatedly doubled down on being total jackasses. No one can take you seriously. The only saving grace is that most of the coders are isolated and unrelated to you fools. But, they tend to keep to themselves. This is what the public sees; a bunch of idiotic petty bickering over different flavors of woke failure ideology. Over and over again you fake Anarchists go down the same path.

    You dumb, petty tyrants are the reason DASH can't be taken seriously. Moderators! You're a sad, unfunny joke.

    You are professionally trained to handle insults? Really? Did you need a corporate training video to teach you haw to dress yourselves, and wipe your own asses, too? You didn't figure it out when you were in Kindegarten like everyone else did? You don't even realize you're making a fool of yourself...
    Always accuse your opponent of what you are doing before they find out about it...

    You stink of this leftist behavior, and you're not sufficiently self-aware to realize that you're giving it away. If you work in a casino, you should know what a "tell" is ... the other side doesn't smell much better...

    kanuuker resorted to the same "behavior" which I use unabashedly. Bad language and "low brow" attacks are simple and concise. Should not have apologized. Petty bullsh!t isn't worthy of the high road. Using the "language" Ad Hominem to presume that a person is incapable of a civilized argument is typical of degenerates when they are dismissed for being degenerates. Sure, I could formulate real arguments with facts and logic, but when it's clear that my opponent is just a manipulator, liar, or otherwise being deliberately intellectually dishonest, it's easier to just give them the finger... Well formulated arguments don't matter to a liar anyway...

    This nonsense is petty and immature. But, what do you expect from petty, immature people given even a little bit of power to control the speech of others...? It happens with woketards every time.

    That's why all the adults have abandoned you.

    OMG, not allowed to defend yourself? Join the club. I'm a collector of black guns, I've been dealing with that Bolshevism since the 80s... Facts and truth are "false narratives." Defending yourself is an attack against others... You think it's new since, for the first time, instead of inflicting it on others, it's being done to you... Maybe by accident, even... The lack of self-awareness is ridiculous.

    ...it's even more telling that you use medium.com; a singularity of extreme left woketism...
    Do you seriously not even realize that you're using this token leftist false frame manipulation weasel language? Then you want to invoke John Wayne? Ugh, the cringe... I didn't realize soy eggs were a thing...

    I'll mark one important point. "Speculation as fact" is basically the definition of an opinion or a theory... Well, at least among honest people. This rule is abused very frequently, because abuse is the reason that this rule was created... If an opinion is disliked, this rule is invoked to suppress it. Many times people that are just thinking/postulating out loud have this invoked against them. That's how tight your commie echo chamber has become...

    I don't even like to call this childish. It's so much worse than that...
    You are not a leader at all. You may have the role of a leader, but you are no leader.

    "Just cuz the cat had kittens in the oven, don't make 'em biscuits!"

    Because you're likely to invoke it at some point anyway... I've actually asked to be banned on more than one occasion. But you can't do that. You need to drive me out so you can have triumph and use the "he couldn't handle it, he had no argument, etc..." You're so far up your own asses you don't even get the joke. Sometimes it's just not worth the effort to argue with petty, self-important morons. The fact that no one worth a damn is still there should be a clue. Much like the budget... It's so retarded that no one shows up anymore. You're so exceptionally narcissistic that you can't understand that people have been voting with their feet for years now... Dregs like you are all that's left. I'm only here because the communist government stuck me with you... There's nothing left but petty dirtbags picking nits about how to be the perfect dirtbag... Who has a desperate need to be the biggest turd in the bowl?

    You do, apparently...

    I do want to be clear that I'm not intending to come down on Tao alone. But since this 'document' is all about him, and he is really all that is discussed, everything else is details; a refutation of the subject matter, him, is also largely about him... The rest of the petty tyrant moderators aren't much better.

    You ridiculous people are the reason that DASH is getting nowhere in spite of it's technological superiority. You have taken sh!tshow to a whole new level... No one in the real world can take DASH seriously because of you.

    If someone got the wise idea to round you up and gas you, I'd probably stand idly by and let it happen. With full knowledge. It's one thing to dehumanize one's opponent. But, this is different. You people are so terrible that I feel dishonest referring to you as people. You have chosen to stoop this low. I don't have to portray it in any manipulative way. You're just terrible. I find myself disappointed that I can't blame myself. I genuinely believe, through no lens of my own, that the world would be better off without you in it. You're just absolutely horrible people still clinging to the remnants of a good idea that is somehow still managing to survive you...

    I'm retired. I have nothing better to do. I know I could do a better job than all of you fools put together. But there's no way I'm going to inherit the mess and bad image you've made for yourselves. You can't pay me enough! Not because I don't have a price, but because that much money doesn't exist! I am not alone. You scare off pretty much everyone that sees you. That's why only more screwed-up freaks are all that show up to the DASH party. Competent, experienced, sane people just run away as fast as they can. You don't have enough money to pay people to put up with you. You're absolutely ridiculous.
     
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    I pinned this post just so you would see it, Tao is not under any purity test, he was stirring shit and got a timeout. We are all still one great big happy Dash family (tm).
     
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    We are splitting up Poland at the moment.
     
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    I thought there was no way to move threads ? You said so yourself.

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    This means threads that don't belong in general discussion and are off topic can be moved to off topic after all ? They don't need to be locked ? Please clarify !
    Also i would like to know why this specific thread is being treated as off topic and not suitable for general discussion ? What are the specifics to consider a thread off topic ?
    How can a thread that deals with Dash, Discord and Censorship be regarded as off topic ?

    Edit : i just noticed Tao is also getting censored on Dash Reddit now

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    This is making me very uncomfortable. I really don't like the direction this is taking, reminds me of Bitcoin censorship.

    I created a Dash Reddit thread to get a sense of how other people view censorship on Dash Reddit :
    https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/f17wud/is_this_dash_reddit_forum_subject_to_censorship/

    Please feel free to leave comments there.
     
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    That is an abuse of moderation power, what action has been taken towards that moderator and what action has been taken on that faulty design ban button on Discord ?
     
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    The ban was warranted, not an abuse of power, and unfortunately, there is no direct fix for Discord ban feature, we are trying to work on logging
    their message deletions, but we have no control over what features Discord provides, nor their design. Please do not call an honest oversight an abuse of power.

    When I say the moderator acted hastily, I am referring specifically to forgetting to untick the autodelete button and not the temp ban itself.
     
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    I was unaware of the move thread feature, and threads are still routinely closed when they begin drawing too much spam
    and too many low value comments from new users trying to get posting privileges. Our spam filter is not perfect and it is
    not possible for our small mod team here to police every thread. This forum was a jungle of spam before this policy of
    closing older threads was instituted. If you have a better solution to the spam problem, I am all ears. As far as moving threads,
    it isn't possible on Reddit, here it was a feature I was unaware of, I have been here moderating for over a year and am still
    learning new features, there is no training manual for this and I am volunteer staff, as are all our mods across all platforms
    at the moment, so before you attack moderators, please consider that they are doing this as a service to the community with
    precious little thanks. You only hear about the moderators when somebody makes a mistake, how often have people taken the
    time to thank a moderator for the volunteer work they do? Please cite several examples of moderator appreciation


    Your friendly janitor,
    Agnew
     
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    If some of you treated your waiters and waitresses like you treat moderators here, you would have good reason to be worried about your food
    being spat on, moderators are community members and I, for one, am tired of the attacks on the mod teams, nobody here whining about the
    bad actors that force mods to make these decisions, as was the case in Tao's temp ban, just here whining about an honest mistake.
     
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    For the record, if that autodelete button had been unticked by the Moderator, Tao's threats against Dash Talk WOULD have resulted in a permaban,
    as it is, since we don't have the full documentation, Tao received a temp ban.
     
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    I still don't see why this topic belongs in the off topic section instead of the general discussion section, but that is just my personal opinion.

    Also i don't understand why threads on Dash Reddit can be deleted like that. I understand threads can not be moved on Dash Reddit, but to delete a thread completely ?
    Was that the action of one moderator on Reddit ? or was there consultation with other moderators ? (like there was consultation with more moderators on Discord).
    Currently i am more worried about censorship on Reddit, then on Discord.
     
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    It's off-topic because this discussion is about personal grudges individuals have and not Dash related.
    There were two other individuals that participated in the grudge match that got sanctioned. Tao got the heaviest punishment for threatening staff.
    As for Reddit, I am only a backup Mod, I never spend any time there, you would have to address their team,
    I am only an active mod here and in Dash Talk Discord.

    Maybe one of the Reddit mods will see this thread and reply to your concerns.
     
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    It's funny how it's "moderation" when one party does it but suddenly becomes "censorship" when someone else does. The thread was removed under the OFFTOPIC rule of the sub.

    It has nothing to do with Dash the cryptocurrency. It's only about interpersonal drama no investor, user or holder cares about or even should care about. It's between Tao and some of the mods of Dash Talk (I wasn't even there when it happened).

    The ban is temporary and I see no reason to pull a neutral ground like our subreddit into this. If these two parties (again: I was not there and I explicitly voted for the lowest possible option of a temp ban) can't or cannot work it out is not really of my concern as the steward of our subreddit. This feud is an epic waste of time and must not be taken out on the back of a subreddit where people come to learn about Dash. They don't care why person X was banned from forum Y for reason Z. I certainly wouldn't and it would be embarrassing to read such a story on a place like r/ethereum for example.

    Do whatever the hell you like but leave r/dashpay out of it.
     
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    It is r/dashpay that is deleting threads, makes it difficult to leave r/dashpay out of it. Why not simply close the thread in question for comments ? Have more threads been deleted on r/dashpay this way ? Have other Dash Reddit moderators been consulted with regards to this deleted thread ?
     
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    Thanks for missing the point entirely.

    99.999% of threads that are deleted on r/dashpay are spam/altcoin/gambling promotions and those happen luckily automatically (mostly) otherwise we'd go insane. Most of the manual moderation that takes place is actually approving comments from new joins as they are usually caught by the spamfilter. If that is reason for concern to you then I see no point in continuing this conversation.
     
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    What is reason for concern for me is that a thread from a wellknown Dash community member like Tao can be so easily deleted, with what looks like not much consultation with other r/dashpay moderators.
    I think threads of this specific nature should not be deleted, period.
    Closed for comments, yes.
    Deleted, no.
     
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    That's a nonsensical approach to the violation. It is offtopic content that has nothing to do with the Dash cryptocurrency as I have thoroughly explained above. If someone started talking about their kidney stones on r/dashpay I would have to close the thread for comments and leave it visible going by that logic.
     
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    And just for completeness sake, here you go. All my moderator actions of the last 19 days. First 3 pages of the modlogs filtered for me specifically since I do almost all of the modding myself.
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    • Most of the removals are duplicate or spam threads/comments as easily visible by the title
    • One comment by Tao I had to remove because it called for a vote brigade which is against global Reddit rules. You can ask Tao: He knows about this and accepted the reason
    • Another thread (besides Tao's which is in question here) was removed as offtopic because the user was complaining about someone else and instead of reporting that user (there is a report button below every submission) they launched a useless witch hunt. In the end that user thanked me for warning the violator (after I had to find him myself because they wouldn't give me a hint) and has accepted the reason for removal. You can ask them yourself as the username is shown.

    As you can see most of my actions are approving comments to make them visible or maintaining the subreddit's wiki and information sidebar.

    So: How much censorship do you think takes place on r/dashpay?
    Why don't you instead ask yourself why nobody except for obvious trolls who constantly smack talk Dash elsewhere complain about our moderation?
    Moderation of content is not censorship of opinion (until it happens to one personally of course!)
     
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    Looking at above list of moderation actions, i keep wondering why you did not lock Tao's thread like you did with the 'Dash Tokenomics AMA with Ryan Taylor' thread,
    instead of removing it like just any duplicate or spam thread. It seems you use both lock and remove actions.

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    Maybe there should be more of an distinction between removing threads that are spam or duplicate and locking threads that are off topic.
     
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    Of course I've locked Ryan's AMA and it has nothing to do with censorship. The AMA had concluded and Ryan left the conversation as he indicated himself. Further posts would only deteriorate the state of the conversation. Other subs do that too when an AMA is finished. It was an ontopic, highly focused and time constrained discussion strictly about Dash. After it's finished it's locked to preserve the answers for future reference. It was a perfectly reasonable action and standard practice all over the web for specific cases like this.

    And since you've ignored my message explaining why I did not lock Tao's post let me simply write it again:

    "[Locking the thread is] a nonsensical approach to the violation. It is offtopic content that has nothing to do with the Dash cryptocurrency as I have thoroughly explained above. If someone started talking about their kidney stones on r/dashpay I would have to close the thread for comments and leave it visible going by that logic."

    Maybe. But I did not write Reddit's backend. It is what it is and I have nothing to hide here.
     
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    Think we have beaten this low value thread to death now, closing it and unpinning it so we can move on, I have better things to do than
    listen to more whining about volunteer staff.
     
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