TheNetworkIsBiggerThanYou
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The definition of insanity. Let's do the same thing, with the same people, and expect different results
I think Dash needs some changes
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I just gave you some ideas from the Nano community, but let's hear it, what would you do? We have no outreach because they've made their money and gone. We have barely any actively participating masternodes for the same reason. All of the OG's have made their money and dipped... or have been here too long and already made their money anyway, there is no interest from them in helping the network.
The fact you're still here means you care about decentralization, privacy and what DASH is doing... so can this community actually turn things around here or do we just wallow in self pity and call it a day?
vazaki3
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Apparently it is the majority of voting MNOs who do that, but also we are talking about 5 individuals.
masterblaster (100 votes), spirit (68 votes), genesis(36 votes), rabbit (33 votes) and DIFSHelpMall (24 votes)= total 261 votes
DCG-SUPPLEMENTAL-AUG23 got 521 YES, if you exclude these 5 individuals it gets only 260 YES and obviously does not pass. So dont blame the Dash community neither the MNOs in general, better blame those who hold many votes.
Especially masterblaster's behavior seems very strange. He/she casts for DCG both funding and delete signals! Look at the latest delete signals report.
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Wow I'm glad you are still here! I thought that you have earned too much money so that making video does not worth it any more
I'm totally with you, I have seen lots of such politics in multi-national enterprises and that totally changed my world view. There is nothing more important than the core values of any enterprise, that is the foundation
Each blockchain is just a software project, you have to trust the members of that project having good vision and can do good work. It was the reason when I saw internal incompetent and corruption in bitcoin core devs, I immediately searched for other alternative investments like ETH and Dash. At that time, Vitalik gained my trust due to his handling of DAO incident, and Amanda gained my trust through her video. It is all about the people who drive the project
We have long passed the building stage, and there are super weight projects like ETH is building everything with huge amount of resources, it is impossible to catch up with those leading projects that have almost unlimited funding
But just look at XRP, it still maintains its marketcap and even today I have never used it, and don't know what it is good for. Can you tell me why XRP is better than Dash technically?
My take is, at this stage, it is about how to maintain existing VIP customer and try to expand the adoption through them. XRP is earlier than bitcoin, it has many banks and institutions cooperating with them, that might be the reason it still stands. It could be a totally faked marketcap, maintained by a few large banks, but that is some VIP that are willing to support them. And once the exchange rate get support, the adoption will follow, I just saw a report that XRP is the mostly bought crypto assets amoung Korean kids
TheNetworkIsBiggerThanYou
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I'm not sure how you can claim we are passed the building stage. There is no digital cash solution that has all the features of existing cash, let alone exceeding it. Dash needs improve.
To summarzie your position: we should be driving demand internally from existing user base. That appears to be the marketing strategy that has been used for the past 5 years. It has been a failure. Driving new demand is needed. New demand comes from providing a better digital cash.
TheNetworkIsBiggerThanYou
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I've come to believe that the network marketing itself is not a tenable solution. Marketing needs to be done at the service layer of the network (the businesses that offer Dash integration - POS, exchanges, dexes, staking services, etc.) This marketing needs to be done by these services, there is a profit motive after all. Otherwise it is like a database company marketing it product to end users, it would be strange and confusing.
With platform, many more services can be developed - oracles for example. Once the devs create these oracles, it wiwll be up to them to drive adoption of their services so they can earn transaction fees.
I think this is a low key one massive bonus of the platform upgrade. It will create an economic incentive beyond relying primarily off the DAO treasury for funding/profit. I thinik this method has shown itself to be worse than alternative more marketbased approaches and that is reflected in the differences we see for crypto projects without a treasury.
Wow I'm glad you are still here! I thought that you have earned too much money so that making video does not worth it any more
And that is precisely what I'm talking about, not many people care about the core tenets of DASH or changing the world, they're here to get a bag, sell said bag for a load of money later and move on. This is the space DASH is operating in, there aren't many people still here. Amanda was away for years until she heard there may be a power struggle and suddenly she's back. The two things that drive this project are money and power it seems. She's waiting for us to run out of money then will pounce with ideas but zero execution which we have had far too much of already
The people that are still here are a fraction of what we once had, but now that we are smaller perhaps there is a larger percentage that actually care about DASH and wants to get stuff done
@TheNetworkIsBiggerThanYou we appear to agree, and be coming at this from different angles. New demand is needed, which means new outreach is needed. We can market our current features, get new users onboarded for the next few months then when Evo is released hopefully do a second marketing push, but DCG is keeping out of marketing as requested by the community almost a year ago, Dash Marketing Hub was born for this, what of them? What of our initial hitters like Tao? Goes back to my first paragraph really...
Have you seen this video made 6 years ago? Only 1.8k views...
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TheNetworkIsBiggerThanYou
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that is awfully uncharitable to presume to know what Amanda thinks.
Criticism should be levied at those who receive funding and don't deliver.
There has been the believe for, what, 7 years that the DAO can fund effective marketing. Is there any evidence from this time to support this position? Not really.
If someone wants to market Dash they would be best served to partner with a exchange's affiliate program. Their pay is directly tied to their performance. Everything else is bullshit.
Perhaps, but I'm also fed up of MNOs coming to DCG with problems they think they can solve better than us but not actually doing anything about it. We already handed marketing over, we need to act more like a scrappy startup because at this point that's what we are. MNOs have already been paid and should want their investment to go up. This means onboarding, networking, doing local meetups if possible (even in a bar to celebrate a release with DASH shirts, that counts!)
Instead they'd rather sit on the sidelines and complain, and it will be the downfall of DASH at this point.
How much effort would it be to decide who has the largest TikTok following, chop that video into a 10-15s short, and post it? Or are the MNOs so out of touch with the world that not one even has TikTok?
Good points here, I have advocated for more BizDev and B2B marketing. Would have been great to have when the Treasury was still worth something. As fas as DCG handling that, the voters rightly rejected RT's administration, do I need to remind anybody about Arden?
Well, people in the network are putting forward networking proposals. Dash Italia just got renewed. Utah Dash peeps are planning a gathering. I am going to reach out around me and see about getting a local meetup here in Ohio. Dash is in a market positon where it needs to return to basics, we have already lost on the mass marketing front competing against institutionally back projects and VC coins, trying to compete on that field will get Dash nowhere.
@vazaki3 Has some good ideas with Encointer, I am in other coin communtiies promoting Dash, I know you are as well. Back to basics, there is no budget for significant market impact, we have to regrow the grass roots.
TheNetworkIsBiggerThanYou
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what was the business model for BIzDev and B2B marketing? Was there one?
We had a lot of shotgun marketing when Dash was still a top rated coin, splattered Dash everywhere, there was no focus, Dash was behaving like a VC coin with no Reserves. At least thank Ryan Taylor for building a Reserve Fund for DCG, that has brought them this far. I see a lot of mission creep with Evo, and there is a potential market for that, so let DCG finish that work. In the meantime, the Features already enabled don't even need a major SDK to have coders interested. Look at DashMoney's recently funded proposals, Evo is already a reality on Testent, well, most of the time, we have the Rust transition to deal with in v25 Platform, so we'll see how long that has to be tested before it can be activated on Mainnet. Would mean another hardfork with Platform activation.
TheNetworkIsBiggerThanYou
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the answer, as I too understand it, is there was no business model.
There was no market mechanism to produce good marketing.
We did not get good marketing as a result.
The treasury has serious limitations. The technosocialists that think the treasury it is some magical free money fountain need to re-adjust to reality. If you're not making money from someone or some thing, you aren't marketing. It is purely performative. Or even worse, as we've seen more often than not, the person making money from the marketing is the marketer themselves at the expense of all other network participants.
Then propose something better and do it.
Complaints don't change anything.
Please don't shit on Amanda.
As an individual, she did for this project more than half of the current community combined. And she is still here actually doing things with Pete.
Let's appreciate that instead blindly criticize.
PS. I understand her frustration very well - I had the same frustration in me.
As an individual, she did for this project more than half of the current community combined. And she is still here actually doing things with Pete.
Let's appreciate that instead blindly criticize.
PS. I understand her frustration very well - I had the same frustration in me.
The vid you put is non public that's why it has so low amount of views.
Check this public one.
qwizzie
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Maybe it is time we start thinking again about having someone already familiar with Dash and having management experience to take on the interim-CEO of DCG position. It will not be a popular position and there will most likely not be much financial compensation available for it, but at least it could give that person the authority to drive through some operational changes within DCG. Make DCG a more lean mean fighting machine, during bear markets like these.
And personally i would like to see a clear division of budget for DCG in the nearby future :
* Budget funding for the Platform teams
* Budget funding for the Core team.
Through two seperate DCG Compensation budget proposals. What teams exactly fall under the Core team needs to be further specified.
Both teams can compete for additional budget funding from unallocated Treasury budget.
And personally i would like to see a clear division of budget for DCG in the nearby future :
* Budget funding for the Platform teams
* Budget funding for the Core team.
Through two seperate DCG Compensation budget proposals. What teams exactly fall under the Core team needs to be further specified.
Both teams can compete for additional budget funding from unallocated Treasury budget.
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