Am wondering how many will get knocked out in a major stress test.
Dash Core v0.14 on Mainnet
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If you have received the PoSe Penalty on your MN and you have updated the dashd to 14.0.1 and have the sentinel on 1.4.0 but still your PoSe score rise be sure you have not put the blsprivkey (operator private key) on both sides, remote server and local.
ONLY blsprivkey (operator private key) must be on dash.conf remote server, on the local side it MUST be a public operator key which always is created in pair when you use "bls generate" command in console.
Please follow the steps precisely when updating/registering the MN especially that this is the FIRST step, to generate the blskeys pair. https://docs.dash.org/en/latest/masternodes/dip3-upgrade.html#generate-a-bls-key-pair
edit: operator public key goes to DMT when using the HW and if using dashcore you do not put in on local dash.conf
ONLY blsprivkey (operator private key) must be on dash.conf remote server, on the local side it MUST be a public operator key which always is created in pair when you use "bls generate" command in console.
Please follow the steps precisely when updating/registering the MN especially that this is the FIRST step, to generate the blskeys pair. https://docs.dash.org/en/latest/masternodes/dip3-upgrade.html#generate-a-bls-key-pair
edit: operator public key goes to DMT when using the HW and if using dashcore you do not put in on local dash.conf
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JGCMiner
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Thanks for this splawik21.
Guys just to reiterate. If you are having issues double check your configuration carefully, step-by-step. On Discord, if the problem wasn’t a non-updated node it was the above issue (bls operator key and related dash.conf misconfiguration).
I know it seems like that was for v13, but with v14 everything, including things introduced in the past, must be setup correctly or your node will run into PoSe issues.
codablock
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So, just had a private discussion with a MNO that had PoSe problems. Turned out that he was running a second copy of the same MN in a different location as a backup solution, which means he used the same BLS operator key on two instances of dashd. This is NOT supported and will lead to your node being banned. The reason is that running nodes in this way would cause potential conflicts in LLMQ votes.
Rick Seeger
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Half my nodes on Vultr are banned even though they've never experienced any down time. All of them have a PoSe penalty > 0. I parsed the debug.log to produce this chart - definitely linear, possibly exponential. I don't think it's worth the effort to re-establish my nodes until this is resolved. There's clearly a major problem here.View attachment 9543
Yes. I rebuilt all my servers with V14 back in April and registered them as deterministic. I check their status hourly through cron (via RCP to dashd with masternode list command) to verify their status is indeed ENABLED. This is how I am aware that half of them are down. Weirdly, the other half are still humming along fine, which is why it doesn't seem like a configuration issue (they all have identical config).
Yes. I rebuilt all my servers with V14 back in April and registered them as deterministic. I check their status hourly through cron (via RCP to dashd with masternode list command) to verify their status is indeed ENABLED. This is how I am aware that half of them are down. Weirdly, the other half are still humming along fine, which is why it doesn't seem like a configuration issue (they all have identical config).
qwizzie
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This should really be added to that referred docs as it seems to be missing completely.
The docs just mentions the adding of BLS privkey to dash.conf on the remote server, it does not mention anything
about putting a BLS public key in a dash.conf of a local client / server.
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Rick Seeger
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I appreciate the responsiveness and all the info here in this thread. I'm reviewing my config carefully including the blspriv/operator key pairs and have sent my MN info to @codablock. Meanwhile, I'm watching the bans very closely. Here are the latest stats:
Since activation:
274 total bans
63 revived
2 of the revived were re-banned
Cumulative bans confirmed linear:
Correlation coeff: 0.9866
Slope: 80.48 masternodes bans / day
Since activation:
274 total bans
63 revived
2 of the revived were re-banned
Cumulative bans confirmed linear:
Correlation coeff: 0.9866
Slope: 80.48 masternodes bans / day
Operator BLS pubkeys are not stored in a local wallet and should not be entered in any configuration files. This serves no purpose, as far as I know there is no code existing to do anything with this information. The BLS pubkey should exist in one place only - in the registration protx written to the blockchain. The BLS privkey should only appear in the dash.conf file of a single masternode. The BLS privkey must be unique and not appear in any other dash.conf for a registered masternode, or both masternodes will be banned.
If you are registering masternodes from a hardware wallet, it is possible to import the owner privkey in an instance of Dash Core Qt wallet in order to monitor your masternodes from the "My masternodes" tab.
Also, to avoid confusion, I have removed the /latest/ branch of the documentation. The documentation for the currently released version of Dash Core is available under the /stable/ URL, and legacy documentation, including the DIP3 upgrade process, is available (and maintained/updated if necessary) under versioned branches, e.g.: https://docs.dash.org/en/0.13.0/masternodes/dip3-upgrade.html You can change the documentation version you are looking at from the menu in the bottom right corner.
camosoul
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1) I no longer run masternodes.
2) I help people set up masternodes.
3) My access to configuration information varies by each individual's willingness to share data. I do't ask for what I don't need, and I don't keep records.
About an hour ago, 50% of observed nodes have been banned by no discernible fault of the owner or operator.
[shrug]
sumthin' ain't right
Most of these nodes ran fine for several days, then got hammered with penalties in rapid succession for no apparent reason. Some are heavily overbuilt bare metal, some are VMs. The interesting part are the VMs... They're running on the same host. Some get pounded off, and other VMs on the same host are flawless... Run by the same owner/operator who isn't likely to be making mistakes in config on one, then not on the other. The bare metal machines only prove that no amount of clocks, resources, or network bandwidth will help you. I'm seeding no evidence of DoS, but my view is also limited so that seems inconclusive. I would note that any evidence of a DoS would be glaringly obvious, so, DoS is unlikely to be in play.
If there is a "mis-configuration" then it is a result of unclear or inaccurate documentation. It shouldn't be possible to register incorrectly. Nobody wants to do this wrong for fun.
edit: could you share the mis-configuration details so that I might suggest what to look for instead of requesting information from those who'd rather not share it?
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camosoul
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That was based on old info back when MNs were a fairly new thing and liked to crash a lot. It turned out to be resultant to an upstream issue. I forget the exact details, but it was a block irregularity the fix for which actually got (thanklessly) upstreamed...
I still run my clients this way, but nowhere near as aggressively as I used to. I don't have masternodes anymore; too dangerous given my status as a vocal anti-communist who is still owned by The Communist States of America.
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camosoul
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I seem to say this regarding any software project done since the early 90s; really bad documentation.
flare
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It's open source software, feel free to contribute to the documentation to improve it.
camosoul
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I've tried to reply multiple times, but the website is acting up again... I'm a bit frustrated.
I'd love to help out, but unless I already know, which I don't, I can't write docs. Docs have to be written by the people who wrote the code. Period. But since this makes coders mad ("How dare you not already understand my genius! Behold, the glory of my massive ego!"), they passive-aggressively create circular self-references written as a brag that you can't understand unless you already know... It's basically "Oh, you're going to make me write docs? So I'll write useless docs! NYA NYA! Now gimmie giant piles of money."
It's not such an extreme case in this instance, but it's become so commonplace that most people, myself included, don't even bother to read anymore... It's often faster and easier to just start fumbling and fix it as you go than deal with the obnoxious, snarky wise-assery laughingly referred to as The eFfing Manual.
So far I gather, "key doesn't mean key." If the owner and operator are two different people, there's still no clear direction for what to do or why. It's blind and arbitrary... If it were ever explained, one might logically deduce what to do for himself... But, it isn't explained, it's just bragged with sarcastic circular references... Directions still unclear, dicks still caught in ceiling fans. Naturally...
This is a bit of a rant becasue I'm also forcing myself to learn Python. Which is a miserable experience sorting through mountains of worthless, bloviating, egotistical, epeen noise to occasionally find a useful fact... My patience for this idiotic behavior was used up decades ago. Can't care anymore. Just keep beating the freaks until they finally give in and stop talking in circles. It's amazing what BS can be dissolved by the application of pain, and how much pain an obnoxious jerk is willing to tolerate merely for the game of continuing to be an obnoxious jerk... But, after hours of going around in torturous nonsense, you reach the breaking point, and suddenly the direct answer to the question you asked emerges. Why not start out that way? Why is it so important to be a deliberately un-useful, uncooperative, childish a-hole at every opportunity? I'll never understand it...
As for helping out... I even offered to fix up the vending machine, but it's held in a communist sanctum into which I am forbidden to enter if I wish to stay living... The games being played by people pretending that they aren't playing games... I find it baffling that anyone with an IQ above 80 can't sort it out for themselves, it's not complicated, but whatevs....
I can't possibly know unless I wrote the code... It's the same irrational expectation across the board with coders these days.
I'd love to help out, but unless I already know, which I don't, I can't write docs. Docs have to be written by the people who wrote the code. Period. But since this makes coders mad ("How dare you not already understand my genius! Behold, the glory of my massive ego!"), they passive-aggressively create circular self-references written as a brag that you can't understand unless you already know... It's basically "Oh, you're going to make me write docs? So I'll write useless docs! NYA NYA! Now gimmie giant piles of money."
It's not such an extreme case in this instance, but it's become so commonplace that most people, myself included, don't even bother to read anymore... It's often faster and easier to just start fumbling and fix it as you go than deal with the obnoxious, snarky wise-assery laughingly referred to as The eFfing Manual.
So far I gather, "key doesn't mean key." If the owner and operator are two different people, there's still no clear direction for what to do or why. It's blind and arbitrary... If it were ever explained, one might logically deduce what to do for himself... But, it isn't explained, it's just bragged with sarcastic circular references... Directions still unclear, dicks still caught in ceiling fans. Naturally...
This is a bit of a rant becasue I'm also forcing myself to learn Python. Which is a miserable experience sorting through mountains of worthless, bloviating, egotistical, epeen noise to occasionally find a useful fact... My patience for this idiotic behavior was used up decades ago. Can't care anymore. Just keep beating the freaks until they finally give in and stop talking in circles. It's amazing what BS can be dissolved by the application of pain, and how much pain an obnoxious jerk is willing to tolerate merely for the game of continuing to be an obnoxious jerk... But, after hours of going around in torturous nonsense, you reach the breaking point, and suddenly the direct answer to the question you asked emerges. Why not start out that way? Why is it so important to be a deliberately un-useful, uncooperative, childish a-hole at every opportunity? I'll never understand it...
As for helping out... I even offered to fix up the vending machine, but it's held in a communist sanctum into which I am forbidden to enter if I wish to stay living... The games being played by people pretending that they aren't playing games... I find it baffling that anyone with an IQ above 80 can't sort it out for themselves, it's not complicated, but whatevs....
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qwizzie
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See : https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-core-v0-14-on-mainnet.45821/page-2#post-212492
At this point i think you are better served by providing codablock the requested info, so he
can take a look at your debug.log and pinpoint a possible misconfiguration.
Misconfiguration could be a number of things i guess, including but not limited to :
* using an incorrect BLS operator key in the masternode configuration
* using the same BLS operator key on two instances of dashd
* forgetting to update sentinel
* deviating from the upgrade guide
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