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  1. TheDashGuy

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    See you guys in a few days. This is getting a little annoying to keep dealing with.


    Starting to look like an old fashion centralized company around here. I guess theres only 3 peoples opinions who matter.

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    I don't exactly support Taos proposal as is but do you see me over here hounding him about spamming or anything just because I wish he would focus on something else? Or treating him like an annoying child like you guys always do?

    No.

    So get off your high horses. just because you bought so many nodes early on Daniel doesn't give you any sort of ownership over this goddamn project.

    It's either decentralized or it isn't. Stop mincing words and meanings. Stick to your shit and stop going back and forth. You guys are really starting to worry me with this whole attitude honestly. Sort of wish I would have done more research about the team before committing so much of my time to this shit.

    Grow the hell up and learn some people skills, you guys are really starting to show your true colors it seems. Dictating the way things are going to go and literally making people look bad who disagree with you and or starting some shit about people being trolls.

    Not really sure why I'm here honestly, I believed in a decentralized economy that would be more fair to the average Joe, thats obviously not Dash. You guys just wanna stack more MN's while thier cheap, then control the voting all the way through! Smart move!

    Such bullshit. Go ahead keep wasting the budget on getting richer and when the whole goddamn project collapses we'll know who to blame.


    Get your shit together. Daniel. Kot. EVERYONE.

    You'd think this was a fucking gamestop run by teenagers or something the way certain people act and throw around thier so called importance to the project.
     
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  2. TaoOfSatoshi

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    In fairness to Daniel and Kot, I was actively trying to win the support of the core team in the official Slack today, and their comments may have just shown a disapproval of that. While I was surprised at the strength of their reactions (using the term "spamming" and trying to minimalize my skills as a leader), I understand why and I have promised not to approach them again.

    Anyone who knows me knows that I would never do anything to hinder the progress of Dash, it would be counter-productive to my stated goals.

    I don't share the same views as @TheDashGuy in his post above. However, if the goal of this project is decentralization, then we are going to have to become a heck of a lot more open to different styles and ideas to propel Dash forward.

    As for @kot's marginalizing comments that I am not a good leader and only interested in self-promotion, that is VERY insulting. I have not asked for a thing in the two years I have been aggressively promoting Dash. I don't use my real picture or name, am I trying to promote a Dalmatian? To find out if I'm a good leader, ask the following people who I've inspired, or am currently inspiring:

    @TheDashGuy @Solarminer @TroyDASH @InTheWoods @splawik21 @alex-ru @itscrazybro and the thousands of people who follow me on Twitter.

    I would ask that the people who are in positions of influence in this project, be more receptive to different promotional ideas and initiatives. We all have the same goals, and that is to see Dash as the method of payment of choice in the future, outside of the influence of governments, giving the people financial freedom and power.

    To know the reason for this exchange, I brought a concern of mine's proof to the core team. I saw that a person had asked a mining question over two days ago, and I noticed that it had still not been answered. I suggested that I could help with issues such as these to make people feel valued instead of ignored. I offered to make posts such as these and commit to follow up, as part of my community lead proposal. This is a way better way to deal with newbies.

    https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/newbie-questions-around-wallet-payment-address-and-pools.9208/

    That's what led to the reaction of Daniel and Kot that @TheDashGuy posted.

    Cheers,

    Tao.
     
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  3. GrandMasterDash

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    Actually, I have some sympathy for this because I was just about to post about centralization.. but might as well hijack your post :-D

    I'm seeing proposals to lease / buy servers for development.. or to use centralized cloud services such as Google Apps... and all I can think is, WE HAVE OUR OWN CLOUD - 3800+ MNs - why aren't we making better use of those resources?? We shouldn't need someone else's cloud!

    I guess the obvious argument will be that most MNs are running on VPNs. But I think that's a bit unfair because I'm sure, collectively, there's more than enough spare bandwidth, processing, memory and drive space that could be harnessed (currently going to waste).

    Secondly, it's already been said that MNOs will need higher specs to cope with Evolution... so we clearly have some excuses to push boundaries.

    And lastly, we were once discouraged for running home nodes because, in time, latency / bandwidth / reliability issues would become more important. Well guess what, home nodes get to keep 100% of the cycles with unlimited storage capacity. And not least more decentralised because they're not sitting on someone else's cloud service.

    Having said all that, a long time ago I came to the conclusion that dash's priorities have changed... and to be fair, other cryptos. We're more interested in getting into bed with fiat (the very thing crypto was dissing), and less priority on privacy (almost no protection for MNOs). Despite this, I stick with dash, accepting it's not the dream I had, but simply a profitable organisation where owning a MN is more akin to owning a franchise. Once you accept the new normal, then the rest is all about numbers.
     
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  4. tungfa

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    hey
    pull yourself together and watch your language please ! no need for personal insults and foul language !
     
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    I share @TaoOfSatoshi's sentiment above.
    I too was disappointed by those responses, but calling out people here on the forum is not the appropriate measure. I think many of us have made mistakes in how we communicate with one another which has unfortunately caused some unnecessary challenges among everyone who is working very hard for Dash to succeed.

    Please understand that this has been frustrating for everybody, and I would ask for anyone posting to this thread, to extend graciousness to both the OP and to those his comments are directed to.
     
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  6. TaoOfSatoshi

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    Agreed.
     
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    @TaoOfSatoshi , IMO - without worlds "I will lead","I am the leader" your proposal has much more chances to succeed and You will get much more flexibility and opportunity to promote Dash. IMO.

    The power and sign of a Leader - he doesn't need to declare/prove himself "I am the Leader". :)
    Aslo, "leader" label may spoil big percentage of your efforts. IMO.
     
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  8. TaoOfSatoshi

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    Thank you, @alex-ru, I agree. It's just in this situation I was defending myself in light of @kot's post. I don't go around saying that... ;)
     
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    Quote: "I would ask that the people who are in positions of influence in this project, be more receptive to different promotional ideas and initiatives."


    - - - Well - you just now figuring out that if your not a "Part" of the actual team then you don't matter?
    PPfft - I could have told you that months ago...... Thought you knew.....
     
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    With regard to terminology of "leader", I don't consider it to be "THE leader" so much as it is "A leader". I think you have demonstrated great leadership qualities, and I also agree that it would be a mistake for the terminology to imply that you are attempting to "take over" anything or claim some kind of special exclusive status. So I would support something more like "coordinator", "organizer", or something else to that effect, so that the term does not get in the way.
     
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    on a personal note
    - everybody has their personal opinions and questions reg proposals
    anybody can ask anything , on core team or not
    to spin this around (again) into some some nonsense 'centralisation' discussion is just wrong and childish
    (we know it is the same 5 guys pushing the same old agenda they are on since for ever - good luck to you guys - lame and childish)
    the Masternodes vote and that is IT !
    (like it or not)

    - personal attacks
    (same 5 guys as above = i believe i do not have to say more)
    i encourage the admins here to be stricter with the rules
    foul language / swearing and personal insults should NOT be accepted !
    This is DF and NOT BCT !
    (guys, leave the emotions somewhere else and talk facts please - it only reflects negative on you !)

    - Tao
    you gotta get your message straight
    if your proposal has the name "Community Lead" -
    and in details: "I’m proposing to help with that situation by becoming the Community Lead"
    than you are aiming for that title (Lead = Leading = Leader )
    "I don't go around saying that... " well buddy you are !
    sort out your message or your proposal and it will be much clearer to everybody where this is supposed to go
     
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    :rolleyes:


    There are multiple ways to interpret the words "lead", "leader", or "leadership". Personally I would not have assumed that by "community lead" he meant it to imply he is aiming to be "the leader of the community", but more in the sense of "community lead organizer", or even "lead community developer", if you will. Anyway, looks like Tao is already evaluating this feedback and will make the messaging more clear if possible.
     
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    @TroyDASH Thanks for being the cool head through this, it is dearly needed in situations such as these.
    We all need to remember that we are all working hard in our own ways and everyone is just trying to look out for the project. We all love Dash but this in house bickering is only slowing us down.
    Daniel's comments were justified as Tao's posts were in their slack channel and interfering with work and Tao respected this. Kot's remarks although not the nicest are his opinion and he is entitled to that. His opinions are not mine nor anyone else's so don't take it too heavily Tao, a lot of us love what you do and your energy.
     
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  14. TaoOfSatoshi

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    Hmmm. You may be on to something here...

    You're right, tungfa. Maybe the intent of my proposal is not well communicated by the term "Community Lead". I am intrigued, and thinking about how to fix it...

    As usual, you are in my head. I swear we were separated at birth. I am evaluating all of the feedback and I am prepared to make the following changes. I will change my proposal name to "Tao: Community Coordinator", with the sub-jobs of community builder, and community communicator. I feel that those changes may more accurately represent my intentions with the proposal.

    Thank you for your kind words, sir. I'm a different kind of cat, and it takes a lot more than that to get me down. I will continue to do what I do. I look forward to working with all of you for a long time. :)
     
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    I know dat feelz, yo. Way too much nerd angst here.

    "Irrelevance" is the name of my boat. Upon which I will endeavor to become as completely irrelevant as I can get.

    You'd do well to find something better to do with your time than screw around with these so-called "people."

    I can nearly smell the color 9 already...
     
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    hi @TaoOfSatoshi ... so you decided to continue on the forum... you know what makes a good leader - listening and understanding what the others say. It looks like you did not understand too much from what we were trying to say to you and still continue your campaign here.
    I do not even want to comment the fact that it is brought to the forum by the guy, who has no account on Slack...

    Let me clarify this one time again and I will shut my mouth up. Believe me or not but I have no intention to insult you - just sharing neutral feedback (whether you accept it or not is your choice). Try to look at it neutral way too (despite my direct way of sharing feedback - I am not a politician and I simply say what I think).
    Most of the time you (and almost everyone) accept feedback only when someone says "oh, you are great", "you do a great job" etc. otherwise you don't listen or don't see it. Have a look at your thread: https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-tao-community-coordinator.9183 - many people tried to politely say that community leader role is not the best idea, however you continue to keep posting about it everywhere and convince people to vote. And this was my point - chill out. It is not necessary to ask for votes almost everywhere, every day... this looks more like a political campaign.

    Besides of this, I find the proposal very unclear - I would see it rather converted to project with clear goals and measures instead of bucket of promises. This would make it much better and easier for you in my opinion. Otherwise you might have a hard time to convince people that you are doing the right job in couple of months.

    In the current form your proposal looks unprepared too - you are making a lot of assumptions without actual agreements e.g. "Enhance communication between the core team and community. [...]" (I am generally referring to the entire paragraph Community Coordinator (New responsibilities) from your proposal) . I was thinking that we have already discussed this and agreed about communication (here: https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-nation-consensus-discussion.8759/page-11#post-93452)... and after couple of weeks the topic is back on the table. There is no reason to try to create a perception of a problem that does not exist. Did you actually ask at least one of the core team members if he needs any help to maintain the link between the core team and community? Did you ask more community members if they see this problem (everyone, not 4-5 guys that disagree with almost every action of the core team)? Did you check if the team sees it an issue that needs to be resolved by elected "leader"? Did you ask core team members if they are ready to dedicate additional time for you (I am sure they would do it if necessary, the point is that you did not even ask)?

    You also make promises like this one: https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-tao-community-coordinator.9183/#post-97125 (I guess, I saw similar promise about FB account). Did you make this agreement with anyone who maintains the account at the moment? Won't it create another unnecessary discussion if access should be granted or not? What would be the content of this ? etc.
    Don't get me wrong but what is good for DashNation promotion might not be the best solution for Dash promotion. We intend to build a serious financial system and, personally, I would not take seriously any financial solution promoted by the guy sitting and talking out of his shower. Would you? The style of official channels has to be very different than this (probably more conservative than majority of social media channels) - this wasn't agreed with anyone neither...

    Referring to what you wrote:
    Wrong assumption. Our goal is to provide people with fair, decentralized financial solutions. Decentralization is not the goal itself, as far as I know. I can even hardly imagine any project being developed totally decentralized way as it means no teams, no leadership (irony, right?), no common goals and approach etc. Projects are centralized by their nature. Outcomes could be decentralized.

    1. Please do not manipulate my words (politics?) I did not say you are interested only in self-promotion. Did I? You are simply trying too hard to promote DashNation and your proposal literally everywhere (and it makes me feel tired). Chill-out. Everyone knows about it already. They will vote.
    2. If you feel very insulted by what I wrote, better prepare yourself for hell. This is not a role for sensitive person. Being a leader means also having difficult conversations and meeting people who disagree with you and don't like you (on daily basis). Look how many direct and indirect attacks experience the core team (even myself - I am not a leader, just a simple PM but sometimes I feel that almost whatever I write/do is perceived as something negative (by the same crew every time) - this is part of the job).

    Again - please do not manipulate. The reason for this exchange was you posting everywhere about DashNation and voting for Community Leader.
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    We were asking you to stop this. Suggesting that it was about helping the newbie is ... hmmm... simply manipulation.

    I hope you will not feel insulted again by my opinion - I had no intention to do such thing and have respect for what you did for he project (therefore I spend a lot of time to write this message to clarify my opinion, instead of writing so brilliant comment like "Get your shit together" or "You'd think this was a fucking gamestop run by teenagers ").
    You are a good person, extraordinary Dash promoter and supporter. I do not know from where (or from whom) the idea of voting for the leadership role came from but it is not a good idea in my opinion. First of all - this project already has a leader, very brilliant one. Second - you cannot make person a leader just because you give him your vote (you can only elect person to do some role this way, leadership is something different). Third - the proposal is unclear and unprepared - in my opinion you will experience a lot of difficulties and frustration during the execution just because you did not agree any of it's points with interested parties (you just put some general description and assumptions instead). Are you going to force people to do what you want or what? People you are going to work with need to understand your goals and share your vision. Otherwise no one will follow. In this case there is no defined goals and vision is not understood by many.
    Think about it - this proposal could be much better.
    Good luck!
     
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    Thanks for taking the time to write up your post; I will let Tao respond to the meat of what you said but I wanted to point out, if you are under the impression that he is proposing to be a leader in the same sense that Evan is a leader, then you are misunderstanding the proposal.
     
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    No, I am not under this impression.
     
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    Tao, I greatly respect what you do for the Dash project. May I ask, however, how you intend to effectively liaise with the core team when you come here to complain about the core team? If your intention is to be a liaison between Group A and Group B, is it not necessary to be neutral and to maintain the respect of both groups? If Group A makes you angry, how can you come to Group B to complain about Group A? Does that not violate your neutrality and damage the trust you have so carefully built?

    The network may fund you, or it may not. If it does fund you, how can you succeed when you alienate some of the very people you are supposed to interact with? You came here to complain about Daniel and Kot, yet those are two of the people you would have to work with most frequently (Daniel as business development and Kot in project management). How can you be successful in this role if these are your methods?
     
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    OK I'm new round here and all (and for the record I agree with much of kots loooong post) but unless the dash guy and tao are the same person then @TaoOfSatoshi didn't come here to complain about anything but responded to @TheDashGuy post. Having made that point @David I agree any one leading (hot button word that, I know) in that role would very much need an air of neutrality on all agendas.

    Kot while I'm being all even-handed and stuff here..
    erm you just did comment on it didn't you??! :rolleyes:

    @TaoOfSatoshi having read @kot post to you in the Slack I really don't think he is trying to be at all rude or insulting tho yup it is.... um... direct

    Come on now; group hug o_O
     
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    @kot said that Tao is not necessarily a leader because leaders inspire people and do not make people tired due to constant self-promotion. Entitled to his opinion yes, but I certainly wouldn't blame Tao for taking that as an insult. Tao responded to that and he did it in an honest and respectful way, and at the same time disagreeing with the OP about making a big fuss over this. How is that not a level-headed, relatively neutral approach?


    Maybe Tao doesn't inspire you @kot, but he inspires a hell of a lot of other people and brings people into DASH. I do not think lobbying for MN votes while clearly respecting your wish to be left alone in your slack when you asked for it, qualifies as tiresome self-promotion, nor does his advocacy of Dash Nation which is for the network and the community, not for him.
     
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    Hey, @kot, thank you for your comments. Let me address your concerns:

    In fact, I have listened to feedback. I have changed the name from "Community Lead" to "Community Coordinator". I feel that it more accurately represents the idea behins the proposal, to build the community and help with communication (which is not and never will be perfect). In regards to posting about the proposal, I'm going to take it easy for a while, it's just that I'm excited about it, and it's hard to portray that excitement properly through text-based communication.

    The items that are in my proposal are not promises. The community builder aspect is a role that I have been doing for free for 2 years. You can easily check my success on Twitter, and you can do a poll of MN owners if you want to see the number I'm directly responsible for. The communicator role is added because I have a great deal of experience in customer service, and this is a role that I would be suited for.

    I'm sure that my goals align with the goals of the community to build an engaged, valued following. The aspects I propose would have not (in the past, that I've seen) required too much time from the team. I would just ask for clarification on things and bring it to the individual asking.

    See my response to the last comment. I did have a conversation with Evan about this proposal before posting.

    I would have to come to an agreement with myself, as I already help maintain the official Twitter :), I would just be getting compensated for my time doing it, and be more focused on it.

    This is a matter of opinion, and I've explained Dash Nation many times, so suffice it to say I disagree with you here. Just yesterday the fella who interviewed Amanda B. Johnson liked and followed DashNation.com on Twitter, folowing the many others who have responded well to the campaign. Should it be our only marketing strategy? Of course not, but it definitely has a place.

    That's kind of below the belt, and not really necessary. Check out my other two videos before you make these types of comments.

    It seemed that way to me, but I admit I may have misunderstood. My apologies if that was the case.

    Dude, I've been working in a casino for 20 years, dealing with people who are losing their life savings. I've been called every name in the book, and shrug it off. I've been under attack here as well many times, as most doers are, but I'm still here. I don't think that will be a problem.

    Again, just excited about my proposal and what I'm doing for Dash. I would ask YOU not to make assumptions about my intentions

    No, it was a prime example of how I would enhance Dash's communication. The question got answered quickly after I got involved, and that is what I will do to improve that aspect of Dash. Please do not accuse me of manipulation again, that is unfair.

    Thank you for these compliments. The quotes here were not my words, and I don't condone them, as I've stated before. I'm not @TheDashGuy.

    The proposal has been changed to "Community Coordinator". It more accurately conveys my ideas.

    I'm sure most will help me for the good of Dash. If not, I made the position a trial run.

    I will continue working hard to promote Dash, and using the majority of my spare time to do it. For the next two weeks, watch my Twitter, and my interactions here. I'm only asking to be compensated for my valuable time. It's not too much to ask, is it? :D
     
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    As I explained to kot, I did not originate this thread. @TheDashGuy is not under my control, I had nothing to do with this. I don't have issues with, nor would have problems working with anyone in this project, currently.
     
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    They don't give a shit they just wanna group everyone up who disagrees with thier crap methods into 1 group of trolls. You are either with them or against them in thier minds.

    Such bullshit. I'm just going to listen to @camosoul and find something more productive to do with my time because this has become flat out sad. Decentralization and community support are lost causes here. The goal is to create a average business under the guise of a crypto currency and stack Mn's until no one has to work anymore. Wouldn't even be surprised if someone massively sold those nodes down the road for more personal gain at the cost of a true financial revolution.

    @tao Ill show you how to use Dash Nation, a few other people are admins, but I need a break from this shit show. Need sometime to research my next investment thoroughly. Because this place is full of fluff, lies and falsehoods. It's not about us, it's not about the financial revolution, it's about becoming Paypal. Literally. All the bad they do doesn't matter because they are RICH!!!!

    I hope one day a real Bitcoin is born, not any of this half baked shit we try to peddle in the crypto world.

    Wonderful, just had to add Dash to my shitlist I guess. Good fucking job guys.

    Peace the fuck out.

    1 guy with 300+ MN's is NOT decentralization, especially when he leads half the project, something smells around here.
     
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    There is a misunderstanding that somehow marketing and promotion needs to be done a certain way. Obviously, the way we have been doing things isn't working. The DAO and Ethereum projects are getting huge evaluations based on nothing but....ether because they know how to emotionally connect with investors. Unfortunately, we are missing that from our marketing.

    Anything odd, creative, goofy, weird, or remotely crazy is shot down(intentionally or unintentionally) by core. The current 'leaders' of the core/public awareness are focused on organized content. Sure, basic content like that needs to happen. But we also need to open our eyes and allow some creativity. We don't have the flamboyant, outgoing, creative, artistic people on the core team. So whenever something doesn't fit into the "this is what we think is good" category it doesn't get support. Daniel's comment about "We don't have a community lead", is not his decision, the masternodes determine that.

    @tao may be making videos in his shower. But you know what? I watched that video first because I was thinking....OMG what is this? It got my attention. Just because something isn't perfect does not mean it won't work for publicity. The Dash Nation concept is a really good idea to create a community about Dash and the fundamental concepts. It is welcoming, fun, and not just about specs and technical mumbo jumbo.

    We should be encouraging the creative outgoing members like Tao, thedashguy, buster, and others. To the concrete sequential mindset this is uncomfortable to see all the odd, weird, and creative ideas along with the few mistakes that happen. But nothing will improve unless this type of talent is encouraged. (Of course, thedashguy has some issues communicating in a family friendly way. Not saying that he or any individual doesn't have a few faults.)

    The core proposal has a pledge that all core members work on Dash every day. I suggest that this pledge also includes, "All core members will not be disrespectful to community members and will act in a positive manner on forums". This should be obvious, but it isn't happening.
     
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    THIS!

    Spontaneous efforts from the community should be warmly welcomed.

    Since the first time I heard some people mention "free riders" in this community I felt sad to see that with such ideas we could possibly take wrong paths (that is, if we consider this to be an open sourced peer to peer project).

    If someone wholeheartedly wants to contribute for the benefit of all, the least expected is encouragement. The community must honour individual dedication. And when someone brings his ideal to a community he does need incentives to keep doing his best for the benefit of all.

    Obviously, some of the "offered help" might even be inopportune some times. But the honest and reasonable contributor will understand and gladly accept improvement suggestions from the community, for sure. And, it is obvious, the group must always demand that its members act honestly and resonably

    Unless DASH is decided to need a different kind of organisation (different from what we understand as P2P) there must not be a wall built between the "core" and the "others", because this will certainly result in contempt from the community towards individual member efforts. And that's because, in a centralised organisation, a clear division of "supporters" against "opponents" will eventually be created, and in such scenario individuals will tend to blindly follow "leaders": critical thinking and creativity die; individual spontaneous efforts become more and more rare. This is the kind of things that should never happen in a P2P community, because it is exactly these individual creative contributions that are the most valuable asset for the project.

    Of course, I understand that it can be hard to keep the correct balance because the "leaders" will act according to their beliefs, willing to do their best. And while their decisions are (apparently) accepted (or not questioned) they will honestly go on working: because there is a "positive feedback" from the community. That is why threads like this one, questioning, and demanding the group to stop, pay attention to some detail, and think, are a very important way to fine tune the project.
     
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    I'm with @kot and team on this. Just sayin'.
     
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    Hi Solar,

    I just wanted to ask you to please correct the quote, as what I said on the working Slack channel is "We don't have a community lead" as you can see in the screenshot that was posted publicly. Which meant exactly what you just said, "the masternodes determine that" and at this moment the voting cycle is still ongoing so we don't know if this proposal will get funded or not until the end of the voting cycle.

    My only request was to stop posting so frequently about this in the working Slack as there is a history limit and I was at the moment losing old messages from the collaboration. I apologize if the term "spam" was incorrect this was just part of a private discussion and actually my only comment on the matter. I did not make any public statements and I am not looking to get involved in the debate. Although is nice to see open debate about everything Dash.
     
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    @Minotaur Sorry for misquoting you.

    @Vedran Yoweri Could you explain? What are you agreeing with? You like the controlled leadership? You think there are 5 people causing 'problems'? Tao isn't ready to be a leader? Tao hasn't thought his proposal through? Thedashguy needs to tone it down?

    The team is the dash community. Lets work together to improve.
     
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    Totally understandable, IMO. But I also understand why Tao would go to your slack to try to dialogue with your team about his proposal. I am not a member of your slack, but I would imagine you guys discuss your own budget proposals as well. To say "we don't have a community lead, please stop posting here because you are getting in our way" is not the kindest way to put it to someone as dedicated as Tao, and it makes it seem like you are speaking for the entire core team when that is not necessarily the case. Now I didn't see the full conversation so I don't claim to have the whole picture, but if I have a choice between saving a few lines of text out of the history limit, versus being a little more courteous, I would recommend choosing the latter.
     

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