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Dash Evolution official announcement next January in Miami!

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  1. Minotaur

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    Dash Evolution to be officially announced on the North American Bitcoin Conference in Miami next January. Don't miss it!

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    http://btcmiami.com/speakers/
     
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  2. fible1

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    Minotaur What is the difference between this "official" announcement in Miami and what we just saw at Amsterdam? Do you mean a working version will be released in Miami? How about the White Papers?

    Pablo.
     
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    The Amsterdam event was just a sneak peak of Evolution; the Miami event will have much more information about what we're building. Evolution is a HUGE project, by January I'll have a prototype, but don't expect whitepapers.
     
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    eduffield Do you have an idea regarding when we will get to see the White Papers and/or see the prototype on Testnet?

    Thanks.
     
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    Some heavy hitters speaking, I recognize Tone Vays from coin telegraph and Brock Pierce, previous speakers include Jeff Garzik
     
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    No. As it gets closer, I'll have a better idea.
     
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    What other altcoins have been presented in Miami in the past? I guess I'm asking if it's a big deal to be able to present there or are we just another one of "those" in their eyes?
     
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    Hi Pablo,

    Besides what Evan said,

    We already introduced some of the concepts of Evolution in Amsterdam, the videos of the presentation should come out soon. Besides the presentations in Amsterdam we had meetings with people from the industry and they were really impressed with the work Dash is doing. As a result of those meetings the idea to give Dash Evolution a proper introduction to the world in the next North American Bitcoin conference came to fruition.

    This is a very prestigious event with a history of high profile speakers so we are really looking forward to this keynote. As an example, this was the event were Ethereum was originally presented in January 2014, Dash deserves this type of attention and securing this speaking opportunity required some work from the team in meeting with people and presenting the Dash innovations and where the project is going. We are really happy Dash is starting to get some recognition and we are working hard to be in more events like this over the next few months, there may even be more announcements soon as we succeed in our efforts.
     
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    Only the official announcement of Ethereum that I can remember.
     
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    Excited to see Diego Gutierrez Zaldivar from Rootstock. It's Ethereum without the Ether.
     
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    Excellent, this is fantastic news!! Incredible stuff. Keep up the great work :) Can I just ask... How much is the blockchain funding helping with the project so far? Seems to me that it's really helped oil the wheels. Just wondering if the devs are happy with the way things are going with the new funding system..

    Cheers

    Walter
     
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    This is one of the most important Bitcoin events. The 2014 edition attracted many people and projects. I'm glad DASH will be there.
     
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    I am also very happy that we will be making an appearance at this event, I might actually drop in and see it live.

    But as an investor, I am concerned that we are not being given enough information to make rational choices regarding new or existing investments in Dash. Apparently, Evolution will be a full overhaul of the code base, so I understand we can't expect to see a Beta on testnet for several months, and that's fine; but I'm troubled that the only things I know about this key project, are cookie crumbs and conjectures. I think we at least should get the White Paper by the time Evan has a prototype, or at the conference, whichever comes first.

    At the end of the day, we need to back up our claims, and the best way to do that are the White Papers. If you think about it, by the time the conference comes around, we will have been discussing V13 for about 5-6 months and even at that point Evan has stated we will not have the White Papers (which are key to understanding the new technology). If this were any other project, I would not stay because I can't invest in what I don't understand. Evan being Evan, I am willing to take on the additional risk, but this spoon feeding of crumbs and conjecture regarding the next release seems like the wrong way to go. Unless there is a long term tactical reason, then I'm all ears.

    Also, I think we should develop public information management policies. There are clearly people who have more info about the general project than the rest of us, and again that's fine because it's practical; but we should have polices regarding what criteria must be met to keep details of projects secret or public. I am not saying the core team should not keep certain things under wraps, I am saying we should know under what conditions things can be kept under wraps, for what purposes, and for how long.

    Makes sense no?

    Pablo.
     
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  14. tungfa

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    Just to clarify this a bit,
    Amsterdam (BTC Wednesday +FinTech) were both Meet up's , meaning there were 100 people coming together. (NOT a conference)

    BTC Miami is a propper conference, 2 days, ton of speeches, presentations, Booths, big press, ..... (the whole lot)

    Some Press from last year:
    http://www.coindesk.com/tnabc-gallery-miami-conference/
    (good links in the story)
    2015 they had a bit of a fuzz regarding josh garza and his debate/presentation.
     
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    Was the dash team invited to go there or did we try hard to get invited?
     
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    Hey pablo
    correct, certain people know more than others! Any company , corporation, virtual corporation ,... is running like that !
    The core team knows and is working on it, and the community and investors read between the lines.
    same as .... mercedes ... management knows (and keeps the new model under wraps), community and investors are excited and trust the company to deliver (or not), but will not see that new Benz model until it is released at Autoshow X.
    same same

    If we want to catch a certain momentum, hype, excitement about 'evolution' we gotta play that game ! (basic marketing)
    if we release the white paper tomorrow (we do not have yet) to the community, we do not have to make a presentation in Miami as everybody will know the details by then, we will have at least 2 clones running parallel to ours, and the 'hype' and excitement is gone !
    (missed opportunity)
     
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  17. tungfa

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    i belive (i was not there) you do not get invited to conferences, you pay to be there (if you are not some celebrity or VIP) !
    that how conferences work and make their money.
     
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    The difference being that cars are a well-established industry, and people thus have a pretty good idea what to expect of a new model that'll be released next year or whenever. Just saying, telling investors that they have to "read between the lines" when doing their due diligence doesn't seem like a very sound proposition. You might be confusing investors with speculators :)

    I get that some secrecy is necessary to preserve your competitive edge, but any blank spots you leave in your information policy, people will fill with their own imagination, ranging from "Evolution will contain a cure for cancer" to "it's all a big scam". Which creates a climate of uncertainty (that investors hate) and exaggerated expectations (which will turn into disapointment when the real thing is finally released)
     
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    i am just posting my personal opinions here, i have not double checked my quotes with the Dev team !

    "climate of uncertainty"
    ... as we trust Evan (as Mercedes drivers trust Mercedes), i see it more as an opportunity than uncertainty.

    we are in this since 1,5 (nearly 2) years, which is a lifetime in the crypto world, i think by now we can totally compare ourself to an established car maker.
    We are #5 market cap, have delivered as promised before, never disappointed, are public with names and addresses, .... never lied about out emissions (little joke on the side), ...
    and that is the same with 'cure for cancer' or 'big scam'
    trust and believe in the product and team, isn't that what you are supposed to invest in !?
    i do
     
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    BTW, I recently stumbled across this:

    http://stashcrypto.com/how-it-works/

    It kind of sounds like Evolution (funnily enough, that is even the claim on their homepage :)), you just have to imagine the pool servers being the masternodes
     
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    Yer, why tell all at once? otheres would copy the idea quickly, I respect the decision to do drip feed this slowly and carefully, after all there is only one chance at getting it right, once the cats out the bag, thats it.
    If investors want to invest they have had plenty of time to think about it and have been warned and informed as much as possible, the risk reflects the potential gains.
     
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    It's true someone might copy the code. But will they be able to implement it? Do we even have any competition in the altcoin scene? Is there any serious coin out there with at least 500 masternodes?

    I'm not sure about it but is giving a bit more information to investors such a big risk?
     
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    So Evan can look forward to an invite to the 2017 event ;)
     
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    I also would like have more information about what products Apple plans to release next to make more rational choices regarding my investments there...

    I have written, reviewed and rated quite a few papers, theses and whatnot in my life. One rule always applied: it's ready when it's ready.

    I remember a co-worker being 9 months into his PhD in computer science when he reached a point where he could neither prove nor disprove one of his basic assumptions, had to throw away everything and start again from scratch. That's how science works sometimes.
    (BTW, my co-worker is a well established professor in AI-research now :) ).


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    But, still, I tend to agree with fible1 here: (some) community members should have a better idea of what's going on: These should be, in my opinion, at least the Masternode owners (and, at least to everything that touches our budget monies), because we are the ones to give our voting consent, and also because it is the same Masternode owners the ones watching, supervising and controling the good usage of the funds (if we want consistent decisions from the community).

    Also, IMO, FOUNDATION members should always have unrestricted access to all the available info. Simply because we are recognised (well known) members of a potential important "controlling organ" (or else, it makes no more sense to be part of the foundation...).

    When dealing with our blockchain budget, it should be open as default. We demand it all the time from the governments. We cannot be the ones to fail with it. Not while "public" money is in use.

    We'd better be careful whenever we decide for "secret actions" and "secret expenses". We don't want "black budgets" (we are not the NSA).
     
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    That would open all doors to insider trading...not good for the reputation of Dash.
     
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    Interesting point you raise here, what if we all voted against development of Evolution right now and voted gaining more end users/awarenesss and providing more liquidity to the market? Dont masternode owners get to direct how the funding for dev time is spent?
     
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    We are ALWAYS (voted or not) working on expanding Dash community, finding new members, promoting where we can, spreading the word , working on new Stories and PR .....
    and you all can help (please do not forget)
    ;)
     
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    I was saying that we need to be careful...We implemented block chain governance for a reason. And now im starting to see all marketing has a black hole budget (and I agree that it needs to be in some degree) and now we will go forth and spend the next 6 months developing something that we know NOTHING about and has potential for the market to reject or over hype as it has not beed discussed with a broader audience. Now for both marketing and development - MN owners are in the dark....

    If we are always going to be affraid of copy cats and the team is just going to go forward and decide whats happening for the next 6-12 months - whats the point of the vote?
     
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    Well, I still do not understand clearly this line of reasoning.

    Insider trading will always be a potential problem, no matter if it is 5 or 5000 insiders. There will always be some people with enough (privileged ?) knowledge of what's going on. And these will be the "decision makers", there's no escape.

    But, who are the decision makers?

    Voting power is decision making power. How can Masternode owners give successful decisions knowing only the "tip of the iceberg"?

    Decision makers need open info. Now, it is only a matter of each one being ethic... and we arrive here at the problem of trust... What is the best solution for trust? Decentralisation (although centralisation appears so tempting...)


    The objective of the voting system is taking the best directions for DASH. If Masternode owners have enough information to decide for quiting or adopting any idea, proposal and solution, it is supposed that the Masternode owners decisions should be "sovereign".


    Sure, we all can help, but when there is a (public) budget things change a lot.
     
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