CATV | Roger Ver Tweet Exposes Rising Tensions And Philosophical Differences
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stan.distortion
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Yet another good episode 
That scaling debate is getting downright scary. I watched this a few days ago:
That argument (imho) absolutely stinks of a classic "divide and conquer" strategy being used to bring Bitcoin scaling to a standstill, I'm not going to speculate on who's doing it but the simple fact that a complex issue with many different aspects is being turned into a 2 sided argument with no possibility of either side giving ground raises an awful lot of red flags. Both sides need to take a step back and reconsider the situation because they've brought each other to a stalemate and no progress of any kind can be made on scaling until that situation changes, the problem is only being perpetuated by the polarisation.
That scaling debate is getting downright scary. I watched this a few days ago:That argument (imho) absolutely stinks of a classic "divide and conquer" strategy being used to bring Bitcoin scaling to a standstill, I'm not going to speculate on who's doing it but the simple fact that a complex issue with many different aspects is being turned into a 2 sided argument with no possibility of either side giving ground raises an awful lot of red flags. Both sides need to take a step back and reconsider the situation because they've brought each other to a stalemate and no progress of any kind can be made on scaling until that situation changes, the problem is only being perpetuated by the polarisation.
halso
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Good debate. Roger was very convincing. I felt like i was at a kids pantomime watching this video. I kept shouting at the screen "the answer is BEHIND YOU!!" *[note dash banner on wall]Yet another good episode
That argument (imho) absolutely stinks of a classic "divide and conquer" strategy being used to bring Bitcoin scaling to a standstill, I'm not going to speculate on who's doing it but the simple fact that a complex issue with many different aspects is being turned into a 2 sided argument with no possibility of either side giving ground raises an awful lot of red flags. Both sides need to take a step back and reconsider the situation because they've brought each other to a stalemate and no progress of any kind can be made on scaling until that situation changes, the problem is only being perpetuated by the polarisation.
stan.distortion
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Lol, it was a mighty fine place for that banner
I'd kind of agree, if it where a matter of picking sides then I'd be swung in Rogers direction but that's the trouble, it's being turned into a choice of sides and neither side is infallible, they both have faults. Take Rodgers side of the argument for example "allow blocks to grow as much as needed and scaling is solved". That's just plain wrong. Gavin Andresen proposed something along those lines but it was only as a stop-gap measure to prevent a serious issue that was only looming back then but has since become a very real problem.In no way could bigger blocks ever be considered a means of allowing the whole world to make Bitcoin transactions, that means tens of thousands of transactions a second and that's just by the standards of todays archaic legacy systems, replace them with something that actually does the job efficiently and it would quickly go up by orders of magnitude. Yes, Bitcoin needs more capacity right now and yes, bigger blocks would allow that but there's no way that can scale to the millions of transactions a second needed when micropayments and machine to machine transactions are added in and so far Rodgers side of the argument hasn't addressed that.
I'm glad I'm sitting on the sidelines with no vested interest in it, Andy Freer and his team are quietly working away in the background on that exact problem and I'm confident Dash will have an elegant solution to it before the Bitcoin camp even reaches a clear understanding on what the problem actually is :/
halso
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I remember Evan and Ryan talking about this on the bitcoin bus while being interviewed. I wasn't quite sure what they were talking about. Has anything been published on the proposed solution?
stan.distortion
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I'm not sure, I've not heard any details. It would be nice to hear how it's going but I'd rather wait for announcements than push for info as the masternodes make a huge difference, Dash has a lot of options available with the masternodes that can only be done by third parties with Bitcoin and a big "Here it is!" announcement would have a lot more impact than lots of incremental progress reports.
I'm kind of wary of mentioning it but I think this is where Dash has all other options beaten hands-down, things like Etherium are great concepts as general purpose platforms but can't compete when it comes to specialised areas such as sheer transaction volume, they need to be capable of handling all kinds of complex problems whereas Dash can be optimised for the specific needs of digital cash.
halso
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I agree, having the MNs as the decision makers is a game changer. In the video this Tone guy talks about the dangers of hard forks (or protocol upgrades as roger properly calls them).
I was thinking to myself; DASH eats upgrades for breakfast with little or no issues. Incredible.