Researching about this possibility is not harmful. This is just a thing in the air. We need to carefully make a decision about this topic so it won't backfire somehow in the future.I'm not sure why we're talking about TOR b/c TOR screams ANTI-ADOPTION by the masses
Face it. Darkcoin will never be ussed by masses. Only criminals and investors eyes catch Darkcoin.I'm not sure why we're talking about TOR b/c TOR screams ANTI-ADOPTION by the masses
Using Tor is easier than using a cryptocurrency. You must be dropped on the head when u were born to be incapable of using Tor.If there could be a way for TOR or TOR like service to be implimented seamlessly without the user knowing about it - or I should say , without the user having to take a lesson in programming - I'd be all for it
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You mean "to da moon"?Tor = more anonymity = more adoption to the who need anonymous cash = price skyrocket = profit $$$$$$$
This post perfectly sums up why Darkcoin should avoid any association whatsoever with TOR and its pot-addled denizens like the plague.Face it. Darkcoin will never be ussed by masses. Only criminals and investors eyes catch Darkcoin.
Using Tor is easier than using a cryptocurrency. You must be dropped on the head when u were born to be incapable of using Tor.
But ya.. Ur right. Adding Tor totally screams anti-adoption. You know what else screams anti-adoption? Anonymous money.
Open your eyes man. Darkcoin will be made illegal once all markets start using it. Darkcoin will only be associated with Dark markets. Ironically, Darkcoin - DarkMarket.
Look at it bro. The press and government are totally all over Bitcoin that it helps criminals and terrorists to launder money and shit. What will they say once they've heard about anonymous money man? Darkcoin helps criminals and terrorists, Bitcoin is just a piss in the sea compared to Darkcoin when it comes to illegal activities.
Evan was first to make instant transactions. Bitcoin will soon follow. Bitcoin will never add coinjoin at protocol level because anonymous money = no adoptation. Anonymous money = illegal. Anonymous money = crime.
Better make it the best crime e-cash you can so the price skyrockets and everyone has profited their balls off.
But saying Tor = no mass adoptation when it comes to anonymous cash is .. i won't comment.
Tor = more anonymity = more adoption to the who need anonymous cash = price skyrocket = profit $$$$$$$. Darkcoin needs to be as anonymous as possible at every perspective. Isn't that the only difference to Darkcoin from Bitcoin?
Having clearnet IP addresses all over the place definitely is not perfection. Think about the headlines.. "Not only no one can track your transactions but also no one even knows you're using it. That's how anonymous Darkcoin is". Doesn't it sound so fucking amazing?
TL;DR; (U rly should though) Those who need anonymous cash already know what is Tor and how to use it and are probably already using it.
I think this can be done without waiting for new version. Just need some MN to create hidden service in TOR and list their address somewhere together, then TOR user can start their wallet and just connect to any selected MN's hidden service to make their most private transaction to MN.The wallet user doesn't need to do anything else than to run Tor.
Masternodes need to create hidden service and thats it. A masternode is not webserver which can do unpredicted shit and have sql injection vulnerabilities.
We are not aiming at dark markets. With tor it will be clear that this was our goal, which is not true.
I think this can be done without waiting for new version. Just need some MN to create hidden service in TOR and list their address somewhere together, then TOR user can start their wallet and just connect to any selected MN's hidden service to make their most private transaction to MN.The wallet user doesn't need to do anything else than to run Tor.
Masternodes need to create hidden service and thats it. A masternode is not webserver which can do unpredicted shit and have sql injection vulnerabilities.
You're not sure because you haven't followed the discussion from the beginning. Please read first before accusing someone as being a fudder. We are trying to figure out if Masternodes and Masternode owners can have anonymity. I am sure this has been on Evan's mind but it can't be implemented due to some other factors and the guys are just trying to brainstorm on the possibilities for Masternode anonymity. Get it?I'm not sure why we're talking about TOR b/c TOR screams ANTI-ADOPTION by the masses
Are we getting a new dev?[21:45:59] <gitcow> [ darkcoin | master | elanaint | 3 days, 6 hours, 6 minutes ago ] a556508 Update tor.md
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Let's say I manage to purchase enough Darkcoin for 200 masternodes. I obviously know my masternode's IPs. Using your methodology, I then DDOS all the other masternodes so that the network only utilizes my 200 masternodes. Theoretically, I can then unmask Darksend transactions, yes?This sounds really good on paper. But scraping all masternode IP takes 1 second. It takes just as long to paste them in your botnet C&C. Starting ddos also takes 1 sec. Draining all masternode bandwidth(if not unlimited) would take a couple hours with medium size botnet. On compromised servers which with amplification get you at 400 Gbit/s(if you have 40x1Gbit/s servers and this is only with DNS amplification which gives you the smallest form of amplification at only 10x. There is also NTP, SSDP and countless others which much higher amplification rate) could destroy the whole masternode network within 20 minutes at zero cost and make the masternode operators pay a couple extra hundred(even thousand) dollars just for the overused bandwidth. If this doesn't sound bad, then read further... Most hosting services will nullroute you when you are hit by a large enough attack.
If masternodes were ran under an anonymizing network that totally destroys any kind of amplification. That makes DDOS much more expensive. If thats not enough then read further.. Running through an anonymizing network would require custom coded malware that support Tor/I2P DDoS attacks which I have not seen on any currently known black market.
Regarding #2, Mr. Spread of Spreadcoin infamy supposedly coded into his masternode system a means to identify and score masternodes based upon response time. I don't know if it was working properly, but you guys may want to check out his code for some ideas.Personally I would prefer option 2, for the following reasons:
Regarding 1):
- A dedicated IP does not guarantee less centralization and computing power, most run on cheap (possibly oversold) VPS servers with their preferred provider (centralized). A dedicated IP is probably an indication but will not guarantee it. Someone might choose a VPS with less resources but more IP's for cost considerations. Also considering IPv6 in the future this assumption will not hold. I think we should look at other mechanism to guarantee response times, like building redundancy in the protocol (don't let x% of unresponsive masternodes influence global response time) and a scoring system that may influence rewards (if at all possible).
Regarding 2):
- transparant support for dynamic IP's
- allow people to run the masternode on home PC: lower entry barrier, probably more resources available than VPS, but more volatile. We just need to make sure that unresponsive masternodes can be identified and eliminated quickly by the network and not influence global response time)
Basically, since we cannot guarantee responsiveness and robustness through the one node per IP requirement, I think we should let the network handle this. Just my 2 cents.
we do not mention the "Sp.." word up here !Regarding #2, Mr. Spread of Spreadcoin infamy supposedly coded into his masternode system a means to identify and score masternodes based upon response time. I don't know if it was working properly, but you guys may want to check out his code for some ideas.
Evan already answered your same question in BCT, so please stop bringing this up and stop talking about your coin as this isn't where you should do.Regarding #2, Mr. Spread of Spreadcoin infamy supposedly coded into his masternode system a means to identify and score masternodes based upon response time. I don't know if it was working properly, but you guys may want to check out his code for some ideas.
Now that Spreadcoin is dead and I don't feel the need to act professionally and diplomatic, let me say that you're a fucking idiot and do more harm to Darkcoin than good.we do not mention the "Sp.." word up here !
+ offering a code of some Dev who disappeared on his crew and community is not really constructive or/and can not be trusted
Spreadcoin is dead. I'm trying to help Darkcoin here. Despite disappearing for whatever reason, the analysts I had review the Spreadcoin code tell me Mr. Spread wrote some very elegant code. If some of it can be of use to Darkcoin, that would be wonderful.Evan already answered your same question in BCT, so please stop bringing this up and stop talking about your coin as this isn't where you should do.
Thanks, but no thanks.Now that Spreadcoin is dead and I don't feel the need to act professionally and diplomatic, let me say that you're a fucking idiot and do more harm to Darkcoin than good.
Spreadcoin is dead. I'm trying to help Darkcoin here.
I fit the latter (investor). But I am investing because I believe that Darkcoin will be the 3rd billion dollar cryptocurrency. In order to do that, not only will Darkcoin need to accomplish its technology goals, but it will need to make some VERY SMART business moves to legitimize it. I think the developers of Darkcoin have the skill to get the technology where it needs to be. The question is, will they have the business acumen to make the right moves.Face it. Darkcoin will never be ussed by masses. Only criminals and investors eyes catch Darkcoin.
This post was reported.Now that Spreadcoin is dead and I don't feel the need to act professionally and diplomatic, let me say that you're a fucking idiot and do more harm to Darkcoin than good..
Do it! See it as a test. Perhaps Darkred can help youPeople keep talking about DDOSing all the MNs like it is simple. Well if it is that simple then stop talking about it and DO IT!!! to prove your point.
As a community, I don't think we should even consider that attack vector until we see at least a 1/4 or so MNs get simultaneously knocked out. Otherwise, we are just wasting time on something that has a such minute chance of happening that it doesn't matter.
You always want to be proactive. You can't protect against every potentiality, but the more you do protect against or at least have plans in case they happen, the better. In tech terms, Darkcoin is still in its infancy and fighting infantile trolls as its main battle. The more it grows up, the more grownup its' battles will be and the more the community and leadership team will have to mature.People keep talking about DDOSing all the MNs like it is simple. Well if it is that simple then stop talking about it and DO IT!!! to prove your point.
As a community, I don't think we should even consider that attack vector until we see at least a 1/4 or so MNs get simultaneously knocked out. Otherwise, we are just wasting time on something that has a such minute chance of happening that it doesn't matter.
I see little point in spending money to prove the resistance of a network against an attack that not yet affected that network even on a small scale.Do it! See it as a test. Perhaps Darkred can help youA medium botnet should not be too expensive to proof the resistance of the masternode network!