Which Masternode model should we implement?
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Researching about this possibility is not harmful. This is just a thing in the air. We need to carefully make a decision about this topic so it won't backfire somehow in the future.
If there could be a way for TOR or TOR like service to be implimented seamlessly without the user knowing about it - or I should say , without the user having to take a lesson in programming - I'd be all for it
DRK needs to be something my grand-mother can use, eventually
DRK >on
Send / Receive DRK
DRK >off
DRK needs to be something my grand-mother can use, eventually
DRK >on
Send / Receive DRK
DRK >off
Face it. Darkcoin will never be ussed by masses. Only criminals and investors eyes catch Darkcoin.
Using Tor is easier than using a cryptocurrency. You must be dropped on the head when u were born to be incapable of using Tor.
But ya.. Ur right. Adding Tor totally screams anti-adoption. You know what else screams anti-adoption? Anonymous money.
Open your eyes man. Darkcoin will be made illegal once all markets start using it. Darkcoin will only be associated with Dark markets. Ironically, Darkcoin - DarkMarket.
Look at it bro. The press and government are totally all over Bitcoin that it helps criminals and terrorists to launder money and shit. What will they say once they've heard about anonymous money man? Darkcoin helps criminals and terrorists, Bitcoin is just a piss in the sea compared to Darkcoin when it comes to illegal activities.
Evan was first to make instant transactions. Bitcoin will soon follow. Bitcoin will never add coinjoin at protocol level because anonymous money = no adoptation. Anonymous money = illegal. Anonymous money = crime.
Better make it the best crime e-cash you can so the price skyrockets and everyone has profited their balls off.
But saying Tor = no mass adoptation when it comes to anonymous cash is .. i won't comment.
Tor = more anonymity = more adoption to the who need anonymous cash = price skyrocket = profit $$$$$$$. Darkcoin needs to be as anonymous as possible at every perspective. Isn't that the only difference to Darkcoin from Bitcoin?
Having clearnet IP addresses all over the place definitely is not perfection. Think about the headlines.. "Not only no one can track your transactions but also no one even knows you're using it. That's how anonymous Darkcoin is". Doesn't it sound so fucking amazing?
TL;DR; (U rly should though) Those who need anonymous cash already know what is Tor and how to use it and are probably already using it.
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You mean "to da moon"?
Oh please. I see red blinking lamp. Are you trying to captive somebody's minds? I think you already did. I am not sure about your intentions.
This post perfectly sums up why Darkcoin should avoid any association whatsoever with TOR and its pot-addled denizens like the plague.
We are not aiming at dark markets. With tor it will be clear that this was our goal, which is not true.
I still vote #1
1.) One node per IP.
-Higher cost to run a node
-Network will support more computing power
-Zero anonymity for masternode operators
-Much faster response time for Masternode tasks
-Support tasks on direct connection to masternode (Greater security for DS and other tasks like that).
-Highly resistant to DDOS (thousands of machines)
-Less centralization
-Supports Masternode Blinding
1.) One node per IP.
-Higher cost to run a node
-Network will support more computing power
-Zero anonymity for masternode operators
-Much faster response time for Masternode tasks
-Support tasks on direct connection to masternode (Greater security for DS and other tasks like that).
-Highly resistant to DDOS (thousands of machines)
-Less centralization
-Supports Masternode Blinding
I think this can be done without waiting for new version. Just need some MN to create hidden service in TOR and list their address somewhere together, then TOR user can start their wallet and just connect to any selected MN's hidden service to make their most private transaction to MN.
Is this possible?
I do not agree,
only because we would be having a presence in the Onion
does not mean we are aiming for DarkMarkets !
I think a good presence on TOR would give us much higher credibility in the "Anonymity Community".
(what we do NOT have at all in the moment)
There are many more things going on down there than just darkmarkes , drugs and sex !
Wistlbowers, Journalist, anonymous email, legit open markets, .....)
Anybody involved in Privacy or Anonymity has some affiliations with TOR.
DRK always stayed as far away from TOR as possible, and i think that really send a mix message
to our followers,newcomers and the crypto community.
I am not saying to move "everything" into the Onion
but we have to get our Tech 'affiliated and working' with TOR !
show a presence, check it out and we take it from there.
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we have to look at the bigger picture
isn't this about "Privacy in Finances"
well anybody who knows anything in this direction would ask
"Why are they not on / or affiliated with TOR"
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I think this can be done without waiting for new version. Just need some MN to create hidden service in TOR and list their address somewhere together, then TOR user can start their wallet and just connect to any selected MN's hidden service to make their most private transaction to MN.
Is this possible?
You're not sure because you haven't followed the discussion from the beginning. Please read first before accusing someone as being a fudder. We are trying to figure out if Masternodes and Masternode owners can have anonymity. I am sure this has been on Evan's mind but it can't be implemented due to some other factors and the guys are just trying to brainstorm on the possibilities for Masternode anonymity. Get it?
Friends, (and I do not use the term lightly) this is proving to be one of the more interesting, and (IMO) important conversations we have had in a while. MB, I do not get the impression that DS420 is FUDing; and DS42, MB does not deserve insults either. We should be able to respectfully disagree--this is not DCT.
DS420, I am in agreement with you concerning the eventual fate of DRK in the eyes of the law, and in large measure, the court of public opinion. A number of you seem to think that this can be avoided if we will simply never mention the possibility of such use, and maybe even change the name. Rando, your optimism seems unbounded, and you seem genuinely shocked at the restrictions the powers place on freedom/privacy. I submit that the testimony of history is that freedom is an ideal more often died for, than enjoyed. Imams may proclaim peace, but ISS will grow. Jesus proclaimed "Turn the other cheek," but wars are still fought in his name. Folks here call for respect and still hurl insults. There is a darkness that haunts the hearts of men, and that stalks the halls of power; choose not to participate.
As a strix, I love the night and the privacy it brings to woo my wife in secret. Pure and blessed obscuring night is a wonder that refreshes and renders the dawn glorious and welcome. But there is a darkness that parades as light, and its power is growing in the world. Our coin is a threat to that power, and no name change or feigning of innocence will provide protection from it. As my king has declared (there, I said it!) we need to allow the wheat and tares to grow together, lest in pulling up the tares, we destroy the wheat. I await the harvest, when the fruit will make all things clear.
Yes, druggies, and pornographers, and terrorists will use DRK, and we need to make it as effective as possible for them to do so--in order that I and others like me (and better and more effective than me) can continue to work for justice. It is the elimination of justice that is the real goal of those out to eliminate DRK, but they will cite the petty criminals as their reason, and nothing we can do will change that. I should add that my advocacy of a name change is not so that the powers will look more favorably on DRK, but so those like me will be more inclined to adopt it in the fight for justice.
Option one or two--I don't know--but whichever is chosen, will I trust, be but an early step, in a long and difficult battle. Explore options... learn.
TL;DR--Be nice to each other, and learn from those you disagree with, as DRK supporters we have enough enemies already.
DS420, I am in agreement with you concerning the eventual fate of DRK in the eyes of the law, and in large measure, the court of public opinion. A number of you seem to think that this can be avoided if we will simply never mention the possibility of such use, and maybe even change the name. Rando, your optimism seems unbounded, and you seem genuinely shocked at the restrictions the powers place on freedom/privacy. I submit that the testimony of history is that freedom is an ideal more often died for, than enjoyed. Imams may proclaim peace, but ISS will grow. Jesus proclaimed "Turn the other cheek," but wars are still fought in his name. Folks here call for respect and still hurl insults. There is a darkness that haunts the hearts of men, and that stalks the halls of power; choose not to participate.
As a strix, I love the night and the privacy it brings to woo my wife in secret. Pure and blessed obscuring night is a wonder that refreshes and renders the dawn glorious and welcome. But there is a darkness that parades as light, and its power is growing in the world. Our coin is a threat to that power, and no name change or feigning of innocence will provide protection from it. As my king has declared (there, I said it!) we need to allow the wheat and tares to grow together, lest in pulling up the tares, we destroy the wheat. I await the harvest, when the fruit will make all things clear.
Yes, druggies, and pornographers, and terrorists will use DRK, and we need to make it as effective as possible for them to do so--in order that I and others like me (and better and more effective than me) can continue to work for justice. It is the elimination of justice that is the real goal of those out to eliminate DRK, but they will cite the petty criminals as their reason, and nothing we can do will change that. I should add that my advocacy of a name change is not so that the powers will look more favorably on DRK, but so those like me will be more inclined to adopt it in the fight for justice.
Option one or two--I don't know--but whichever is chosen, will I trust, be but an early step, in a long and difficult battle. Explore options... learn.
TL;DR--Be nice to each other, and learn from those you disagree with, as DRK supporters we have enough enemies already.
Woot!!! From IRC gitbot with love...
And check out http://tor.md/ "Future home of something quite cool." !
Are we getting a new dev?
And check out http://tor.md/ "Future home of something quite cool." !
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Let's say I manage to purchase enough Darkcoin for 200 masternodes. I obviously know my masternode's IPs. Using your methodology, I then DDOS all the other masternodes so that the network only utilizes my 200 masternodes. Theoretically, I can then unmask Darksend transactions, yes?
Regarding #2, Mr. Spread of Spreadcoin infamy supposedly coded into his masternode system a means to identify and score masternodes based upon response time. I don't know if it was working properly, but you guys may want to check out his code for some ideas.
we do not mention the "Sp.." word up here !
+ offering a code of some Dev who disappeared on his crew and community is not really constructive or/and can not be trusted
Evan already answered your same question in BCT, so please stop bringing this up and stop talking about your coin as this isn't where you should do.
Now that Spreadcoin is dead and I don't feel the need to act professionally and diplomatic, let me say that you're a fucking idiot and do more harm to Darkcoin than good.
Spreadcoin is dead. I'm trying to help Darkcoin here. Despite disappearing for whatever reason, the analysts I had review the Spreadcoin code tell me Mr. Spread wrote some very elegant code. If some of it can be of use to Darkcoin, that would be wonderful.
I will just ignore that comment from above as this thread is too interesting to be sidetracked like that
I fit the latter (investor). But I am investing because I believe that Darkcoin will be the 3rd billion dollar cryptocurrency. In order to do that, not only will Darkcoin need to accomplish its technology goals, but it will need to make some VERY SMART business moves to legitimize it. I think the developers of Darkcoin have the skill to get the technology where it needs to be. The question is, will they have the business acumen to make the right moves.
For the record, I think Ripple will be the second billion dollar cryptocurrency. Their technology isn't as good as Darkcoin's, but their business acumen is far superior.
Hopefully that will change, in time.
Almost nobody cares about anonymity if he has nothing to hide. See Facebook. "Something to hide" is not equal to immoral! In a few States of America you can buy weed, in other countries you must hide your identity to express your opinon. I think that the western world turns more and more to a world with a motto like: If you are not for us, than you are against us! This immoral attitude needs to get fought! http://europenews.dk/de/node/75386 Stop this!
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People keep talking about DDOSing all the MNs like it is simple. Well if it is that simple then stop talking about it and DO IT!!! to prove your point.
As a community, I don't think we should even consider that attack vector until we see at least a 1/4 or so MNs get simultaneously knocked out. Otherwise, we are just wasting time on something that has a such minute chance of happening that it doesn't matter.
As a community, I don't think we should even consider that attack vector until we see at least a 1/4 or so MNs get simultaneously knocked out. Otherwise, we are just wasting time on something that has a such minute chance of happening that it doesn't matter.
Do it! See it as a test. Perhaps Darkred can help you
A medium botnet should not be too expensive to proof the resistance of the masternode network!You always want to be proactive. You can't protect against every potentiality, but the more you do protect against or at least have plans in case they happen, the better. In tech terms, Darkcoin is still in its infancy and fighting infantile trolls as its main battle. The more it grows up, the more grownup its' battles will be and the more the community and leadership team will have to mature.
Let's look at one of Darkcoin's competitors, Ripple. Look at the investors of that coin. These are battle hardened businessmen that have seen it all. They have been there, done that, and become very rich in the process. If you think that they're going to let a coin like Darkcoin simply pass them without one hell of a fight, you don't understand how the business world works.
Remember, the people do not run countries like the USA anymore. Corporations run by powerful businessmen do. If you think they're going to let a coin like Darkcoin upset their plans and threaten the status quo, you're kidding yourself. Darkcoin needs to identify these challenges and implement a very creative plan to overcome them.
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I see little point in spending money to prove the resistance of a network against an attack that not yet affected that network even on a small scale.Do it! See it as a test. Perhaps Darkred can help you
My issue is with people who spout off attack vectors with a low probability of success or are otherwise properly dis-incentivized and waste everyone's time.