Proposal for Testnet Contributors Fund

moli

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Dear Members of the Dash Community,

As you all know we have witnessed an ongoing development of one of the greatest cryptocurrencies in history. We are fortunate to be involved with a wonderful team of talented developers who have been working tirelessly on this project. Also, many people contribute quietly in the background to this project unselfishly with their time and talents.

I have been part of this project since Aug. 4, 2014 because I would like to help with testing the software. I’ve never asked for money or favor for myself, but today I would like to ask the community for their support. Currently we still have about 1588 DASH available for projects, and if this amount of Dash is not allocated, it will be destroyed, will never be mined; this is part of the budget system design. I propose this amount go to Testnet contributors who helped with the infrastructure and testing for version 12. The names of testers for version 12 are on the OP of “V12 Release” thread: https://dashtalk.org/threads/v12-release.5888/.

To successfully test Dash enhancements, Testnet needs volunteers to install, manage and test Masternodes, faucets, block explorers, mining software and hardware, and end-user wallets on three different platforms (Mac, Windows, Linux). These cost both time and money. Currently, volunteers are paying these costs out of pocket and offering many hours of their time to test version after version of Dash software. During this testing I downloaded and installed version 12 over 150 times to test!

Many of our volunteers have helped with testing long before this most recent version. These people perform a crucial role testing each component of the project software before releasing to Mainnet and help make releases successful. Although these volunteers have remained quiet helpers, I would like to say “thank you” by compensating them to encourage their continued assistance and support. Please support these volunteers by voting “YES” to this initiative.

I will continue to help and support this project and would like to invite other members to join the testing team to be part of this exciting project. If the proposal is approved, I will present a spreadsheet with the pay plan that I’ve been working on. The compensation will be fair. Any feedback and suggestion will be welcomed. I am going to submit this proposal and will let you know how to vote soon.

Proposal has been submitted. The name of the proposal is "compensate-testers". The command to see all proposals is "mnbudget show". The command to see this proposal is "mnbudget getinfo compensate-testers". Please vote!

To vote from your wallet console, simply execute this command:

mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yes

To vote from the command-line:

./dash-cli mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yes

Thank you for your support!

EDIT: The spreadsheet for this pay plan has been sent to Evan.
 
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moli

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That's so cool of you moli

Test-net really should be supported :-D


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We know it right? Thank you MB. We're watching the most decentralized, democratic voting here because i am no whale and not associated with any whales.. lol....
I would love to see more people involved in testing and let's make a plan how we can help Testnet better! :)
 
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I can support a portion of the mining for 2.5DASH a day - badly needed looking back at V12 - at times
 

bertlebbert

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Good idea here, moli... as Dash innovates with ever more cavalier enhancements, a robust testnet is essential.
As it is, we don't actually get to seriously test until mainnet, which is at minimum an inconvenience, and potentially worse to many.
 

moli

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I'm still trying to get that spreadsheet into view so i can put it up here.

I would like to ask testers to voice their experience with testnet, what they did, how they did... So please share your experience with Testnet to the community. Thank you :)
 

moli

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Wondeful idear!

Thank you moli, this will keep me motivated to find some more bugs/issues :)
Thanks, scratchy, for your help. Without your masternodes i don't know what we could've done. so thank you :)
 

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As flattering as it is to see my name on the list, I've got to pose a question. Would 4 grand a month be better spent on marketing or PR? I'm not saying that testing is not important, it certainly is. I have and will help test because it's the right thing to do not because of getting a few coins. Again, I'm not against the idea. I'd just like us to get our priorities in order by asking questions.
 
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moli

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As flattering as it is to see my name on the list, I've got to pose a question. Would 4 grand a month be better spent on marketing or PR? I'm not saying that testing is not important, it certainly is. I have and will help test because it's the right thing to do not because of getting a few coins. Again, I'm not against the idea. I'd just like us to get our priorities in order by asking questions.
I guess you haven't checked the proposals that have been passed? On the wallet console, type: mnbudget show

The marketing team/ PR budget is:
"MonthlyPayment" : 2156.00000000,
"TotalPayment" : 215600.00000000,
"TotalPaymentCount" : 100,

I am very surprised you don't know. But there's nothing for Tesnet and testers.
If Testnet is not a priority then I don't know why we want to buy into this coin.
In other words, would you buy a piece of software that hasn't been tested or not tested well enough? I guess not?
As much as we tested this software we still have so many updates, just imagine the whole community would be the testers and not just a few testers that went through all the hard work to make your life easier.
 
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bertlebbert

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As flattering as it is to see my name on the list, I've got to pose a question. Would 4 grand a month be better spent on marketing or PR? I'm not saying that testing is not important, it certainly is. I have and will help test because it's the right thing to do not because of getting a few coins. Again, I'm not against the idea. I'd just like us to get our priorities in order by asking questions.
Actually my name got on that list as well. I'm not sure I'm 'flattered', but I do appreciate a pat on the back. As far as receiving compensation, I don't need it; like yourself, I did and will participate in testing - it's beneficial to the long-term prospects of my investment.
I'm sure we'll get further clarification, but I suspect the figures presented are subject to change. For example, some people on the list may just stop testing and then receive nothing.
But there are aspects of testing that have to be there: we need hash for mining, clouds for MNs, a couple of faucets, block explorer, etc. - and these do cost somebody time and money.
And last but not least is moli, who submitted this proposal... we ought to show some respect here... she is pretty much on testnet 24/7, encouraging and helping other testers, keeping everyone informed, helping solve problems, and maintaining communication with our devs. She cares probably too much about this coin.

I vote YES because I am convinced that a properly funded testnet is essential to the ultimate success of Dash.
 

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i am "flattered" as well to be listed under Testers
but we all know i am not a tester.
please take me off moli, tx appreciate this, but this is not my place to be
real testers + hardware are supposed to be on that list
(not posers like me)
;)
 

moli

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i am "flattered" as well to be listed under Testers
but we all know i am not a tester.
please take me off moli, tx appreciate this, but this is not my place to be
real testers + hardware are supposed to be on that list
(not posers like me)
;)
Evan put you on the list, check the OP of v12 thread.
 

tungfa

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Evan put you on the list, check the OP of v12 thread.
i know he did
and i am double flattered
but i do not belong there
;)
you guys are the real testers, i am just helping out once in a while
as i do for everything/body else where it is needed
 
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TaoOfSatoshi

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I like the idea, not because I'm on the list, but because I think that Testnet is a resource that is very important. Without testing to make versions stable, we would have no finished product. I have abstained from voting, however, because I feel it is an obvious conflict of interest, voting to pay myself.

I feel that I do my part on Testnet, but if I was to be paid for something, it would be for the countless hours I put in on Twitter, relentlessly promoting Dash. But lucky for you guys, I don't know how to submit a proposal for the Dash Twitter PR Initiative yet :)wink:).

While I did not vote, I would be interested in seeing how it turns out...
 

moli

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I like the idea, not because I'm on the list, but because I think that Testnet is a resource that is very important. Without testing to make versions stable, we would have no finished product. I have abstained from voting, however, because I feel it is an obvious conflict of interest, voting to pay myself.

I feel that I do my part on Testnet, but if I was to be paid for something, it would be for the countless hours I put in on Twitter, relentlessly promoting Dash. But lucky for you guys, I don't know how to submit a proposal for the Dash Twitter PR Initiative yet :)wink:).

While I did not vote, I would be interested in seeing how it turns out...
Thanks Tao for your comments on how important Testnet is, and you're right, if someone doesn't believe in testing software why would they buy it. Making software is like manufacturing cars. Would someone buy a car that hasn't been tested? And same here, I have not voted for this proposal, my name is on the list but even if I got the coins, i would use them to tip someone else. I would never count on getting paid here.. this initiative is just a little tip to pat on the back for people who have put in their time and resources to build this community.

You can always submit a proposal for your own cause, not sure you'll get supported but it seems maybe there's some other way to earn from Twitter? I'm sure you're creative enough to figure that out .. :)
 
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Sub-Ether

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Thanks Moli for putting up the proposal, you put a lot of work into this version.
And thanks to everyone who selflessly hosted masternodes and hardly mentioned it.

For my part, I had a node going and ran the mining when required(sometimes I was the only person with any hash power which I couldn't believe with whats at stake!), I am the proud owner of many tdash (offers please?)
Also updated about 50 times and posted any errors I spotted.

I enjoy repairing electronics and understand circuits, and although this is almost 100% software and some of the c++ code is over my head, I do get most of the ideas and such an esoteric combination of this complexity requires thorough testing(and constant updates to self to remind whats going on) before it is released as would any other product into the real world.

V12 was the largest update so far, and I don't know if anyone remembers in an earlier release (V11?) the main chain froze due to a multiple fork and there was major panic (and selling), it went to the ridiculous and rather surreal scenario of everyone asking if anyone had Evan's phone number so that they could wake him up to rescue a rather dire situation.
Now, this didn't happen in the V12 release due to the Dev teams excellent anti fork technology and extensive testing but it could have and masternode/wallet holders would surely be unhappy if this happened again or they lost their funds in some way that was overlooked (eg like the rare encrypted password error that carried over from bitcoin)

The way I see it, is we are all in this together, in it for the proverbial long haul, and I would happily switch on all of my hash power (which is only 20 meg) and forgo mainnet mining if this is what it takes to stabilize testnet and sort out the bugs.

The core team is only small and can only do so much, so if you are on the fence about voting you have to ask yourself, are we worth it, do you want to provide us with added incentive or should we continue to do everything for nothing ? :D

good morning everyone :)

P.S. thats my one long post for the day, byzzz
 

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I would like to ask testers to voice their experience with testnet, what they did, how they did... So please share your experience with Testnet to the community. Thank you :)
Thanks for doing this moli! At the current time I try to keep an entire set of infrastructure up and dedicated to testnet. I have been doing this for over a year and many people have benefited from these resources. I have at one time or currently hosted the following for testnet:

Abe Block Explorer
Insight Block Explorer
Dnsseed Node
Faucet for coin distribution
P2Pool Node for mining
Masternode's running windows
Masternode's running linux
Masternode's running mac
Linux based mining nodes x2

I plan to keep running these pieces of infrastructure but it does get expensive in both time and money to keep them up and working so this proposal moving forward would help with some of those costs and also help for me to deploy more redundancy in these nodes. I'd like to see that they were all mirrored on two vps' instead of just one. When I learn stuff and stuff finalizes on testnet I try and make a new post to: https://dashdot.io/alpha/ with an overview of how things went and try to simplify things for the general populous.
 

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Abe Block Explorer
Insight Block Explorer
Dnsseed Node
Faucet for coin distribution
P2Pool Node for mining
Masternode's running windows
Masternode's running linux
Masternode's running mac
Linux based mining nodes x2

I plan to keep running these pieces of infrastructure but it does get expensive in both time and money to keep them up and working so this proposal moving forward would help with some of those costs and also help for me to deploy more redundancy in these nodes. I'd like to see that they were all mirrored on two vps' instead of just one. When I learn stuff and stuff finalizes on testnet I try and make a new post to: https://dashdot.io/alpha/ with an overview of how things went and try to simplify things for the general populous.
Look what coingun has done at his own expense, this would not have been possible without his multiple contributions.
 

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Thanks Tao for your comments on how important Testnet is, and you're right, if someone doesn't believe in testing software why would they buy it.
I guess most of us are estimates testing as important part of project.

But I guess just few of us understand how important testing is? I Mean which % of whole budget must be spending on testing?
I think people (MN OPs) need explanation and justification of the specific amounts...

Now I see 2 figures:
core-team: 1176 DASH/month
compensate-testers: 1588 DASH/month

For me it looks ... a bit suspicious, but if I can see explanation and justification of this disproportion - It will help to understand...
I think we should be very careful with all proposals numbers - so non of other project members shouldn't feel injustice towards them.

OK, I can understand our public-awareness campaign should be "secret" to protect us from competitors (hope results of this campaign will be very visible, not "secret" :)).
But with testing... I can see no reason to have "secret budget".
Could we see a kind of business-plan of spending this "1588 DASH/month for testing" to vote for it more reasonable?
 

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The name of the proposal is "compensate-testers". The command to see all proposals is "mnbudget show". The command to see this proposal is "mnbudget getinfo compensate-testers". Please vote!
A recommendation for the next proposal(s) (not only addressed to you, moli):
  • You don't need "http://" or "https://" as prefix for the proposal URL. And because Evan's 3 proposals did not have it parsing of the URL would be much easier if everyone would do it the same way.
  • On a second thought I think you did it right because without the prefix it's actually not a valid URL, even when browsers know how to handle it. eduffield should add "http://" or "https://" to his next proposals.

:)