Proposal Assistance - Dash Treasury - Claim of ownership

[Rod Ambrissi]

Hi Everyone

I hope all is well,

I need some assistance with my current Official Proposal that is open for voting at this moment,

I am trying to "Claim onwership" of my proposal posted at the https://www.dashtreasury.org , but once I am at the https://www.dashcentral.org/budget, my proposal does not show the title or discription and some MNO do not want to click on links to other pages.

After following the instructions from the Dash Central website,

In my wallet when I am trying to sign for the proposal and claim owneship I get a message saying

Private Key for the entered adress is not available.

Any ideas how can I solve this ?

Thanks

 

[IronVape]

Do you in fact own that address?
Did you create it using the same wallet that you are trying to sign from?
What happens if you send 0.001 dash to that address? Does it show up in your wallet?

 

[Rod Ambrissi]

Hi IronVape



1 - No, I do not own the address, it was provided by the website DashCentral


2- I used my Dash Core wallet on my Mac ( do I need to create my own address with the same wallet do to this ?)

3 - Nope, it never came back to my wallet.


I am not sure which address to use now.

I did create a new address in my wallet and I did fallow all the steps, but also did not work, I got a message from the site - see print screen



Thanks for your help.

 

[tungfa]

i believe you have to talk to https://www.dashtreasury.org
don't they own the address ?

for the future i recommend this:
https://proposal.dash.org
super easy and solid and no 3rd Parties involved

 

[IronVape]

Hi IronVape
1 - No, I do not own the address, it was provided by the website DashCentral
2- I used my Dash Core wallet on my Mac ( do I need to create my own address with the same wallet do to this ?)
3 - Nope, it never came back to my wallet.
I am not sure which address to use now.

I did create a new address in my wallet and I did fallow all the steps, but also did not work, I got a message from the site - see print screen

Thanks for your help.

It looks like a 3rd party owns the proposal that you think is yours.
You will have to talk to the real proposal owner about getting your idea posted.
Note: If this proposal gets funded. The Dash does not go to you. It goes to whoever your mystery sponsor is.
Note2: Dashcentral did not create that address. It is simply showing you the address that the true proposal owner submitted.

 

[Rod Ambrissi]

Hi IronVape

I am confused now,

I was the only person who submitted the Proposal and I was the one who send the funds from my wallet, I have the transaction history,

My sponsor is the website who I am in touch, they sent the funds to my wallet and I sent it to Dash Treasury.


Any suggestios who can I contact about this ?

Thanks

 

[tungfa]

Dash Treasury
@dashdisciple i believe

 

[Rod Ambrissi]

Hi tungfa

well I was not aware that the https://www.dashtreasury.org was a 3rd partie group.

I'll try to contact then ... Thank You.

i believe you have to talk to https://www.dashtreasury.org
don't they own the address ?

for the future i recommend this:
https://proposal.dash.org
super easy and solid and no 3rd Parties involved

 

[jimbursch]

@Rod Ambrissi -- please update us as you get this worked out; it will be helpful to others.

This is what we were led to believe:

No, DashTreasury.org is not acting as escrow agent. The proposal owner puts in his own payment address before he submits his proposal to the blockchain, just like on DashCentral.

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/...le-payment-20-auto-subsidy.15408/#post-130497

 

[jimbursch]

@rango manually set @Rod Ambrissi as the proposal owner at Dash Central, which seems wrong to me. The person who receives the funds from the budget system should be the proposal owner. In this case, DashTreasury will be receiving the funds, therefore DashTreasury is the proposal owner. The MNOs should know this.

@Rod Ambrissi -- this isn't your fault, and I think your proposal should pass, but it should be made clear who will be receiving the funds directly from the budget.

 

[Rod Ambrissi]

@rango manually set @Rod Ambrissi as the proposal owner at Dash Central, which seems wrong to me. The person who receives the funds from the budget system should be the proposal owner. In this case, DashTreasury will be receiving the funds, therefore DashTreasury is the proposal owner. The MNOs should know this.

@Rod Ambrissi -- this isn't your fault, and I think your proposal should pass, but it should be made clear who will be receiving the funds directly from the budget.

Hi @jimbursch , Thanks for your input, I did contact @rango this morning and I am sure he will be able to clarify this as he was the one who manages to reset my settings at the Dash Central Proposal page, I did made the updates I needed in order to show the MNO my Proposal directly at the Dash Central website.

But me being new at the Forum, I was not aware that Dash Central and Dash Treasury was 2 differents parties. In my view, once I post a proposal at Dash Treasury it would be automatically at Dash Central and I would be the only owner.

Thanks for the input.

 

[jimbursch]

@Rod Ambrissi -- to make sure you understand, it appears that you submitted your proposal to DashTreasury.org (and I assume you also sent DashTreasury.org the 5 Dash proposal fee), and they in turn submitted a proposal to the Dash Budget System on your behalf, using their own address where the funds will be sent if the proposal is passed. For you to get your funds, you will have to ask DashTreasury.org to send you the Dash, if they don't do it automatically.

There is nothing wrong with DashTreasury.org providing a service such as this, but they should make it clear to you how their system works (if they haven't already -- perhaps you misunderstood them).

If you had used DashCentral.org or proposal.dash.org, you would have used your own wallet and address to submit the proposal, and the funds would go directly into your wallet.

@tungfa -- I suggest updating this sticky post to help avoid any misunderstanding:
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/budget-system-funding-voting-dgbb.8762/

Also, there seems to be some confusion as to the relationship between Dash.org and DashCentral.org. Is DashCentral.org an "official" site/service?

 

[TheSingleton]

@Rod Ambrissi -- to make sure you understand, it appears that you submitted your proposal to DashTreasury.org (and I assume you also sent DashTreasury.org the 5 Dash proposal fee), and they in turn submitted a proposal to the Dash Budget System on your behalf, using their own address where the funds will be sent if the proposal is passed. For you to get your funds, you will have to ask DashTreasury.org to send you the Dash, if they don't do it automatically.

There is nothing wrong with DashTreasury.org providing a service such as this, but they should make it clear to you how their system works (if they haven't already -- perhaps you misunderstood them).

If you had used DashCentral.org or proposal.dash.org, you would have used your own wallet and address to submit the proposal, and the funds would go directly into your wallet.

@tungfa -- I suggest updating this sticky post to help avoid any misunderstanding:
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/budget-system-funding-voting-dgbb.8762/

Also, there seems to be some confusion as to the relationship between Dash.org and DashCentral.org. Is DashCentral.org an "official" site/service?

I would say DashCentral is quasi-official. There is not a direct relation to Dash.org but DashCentral is just used by most.

Regarding the proposal, the originating address and the payment address can be different afaik. So @Rod Ambrissi will directly get his funds I think.

 

[tungfa]

dam is this messy

correct - dashcentral is quasi official - but 100% trusted by team
we are in very close contact with rango (same as votetracker and eric ) , he prefers to run the page independent and not funded from budget system - which is fine

dashtreasury came out of nowhere tbh - never had any direct affiliations with the team (at least not that i know of) and is still not listed on most pages (as i tbh have no idea who they are , what they are doing or planning)

 

[Rod Ambrissi]

@Rod Ambrissi -- to make sure you understand, it appears that you submitted your proposal to DashTreasury.org (and I assume you also sent DashTreasury.org the 5 Dash proposal fee), and they in turn submitted a proposal to the Dash Budget System on your behalf, using their own address where the funds will be sent if the proposal is passed. For you to get your funds, you will have to ask DashTreasury.org to send you the Dash, if they don't do it automatically.

There is nothing wrong with DashTreasury.org providing a service such as this, but they should make it clear to you how their system works (if they haven't already -- perhaps you misunderstood them).

If you had used DashCentral.org or proposal.dash.org, you would have used your own wallet and address to submit the proposal, and the funds would go directly into your wallet.

@tungfa -- I suggest updating this sticky post to help avoid any misunderstanding:
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/budget-system-funding-voting-dgbb.8762/

Also, there seems to be some confusion as to the relationship between Dash.org and DashCentral.org. Is DashCentral.org an "official" site/service?

Hi @jimbursch , After Speaking with @rango via private chat he did confirm my correct address where the blockchain will send me the funds if my proposal is approved.
I got worried when it was mention on the conversation, that I did not own the proposal and the funds would go to the address provided by the website Dash Central, anyway
kind of scary for someone submitting a proposal for the first time to go over all this, but we are all good now. Thanks

 

[CaptAhab]

All this complexity makes submitting a proposal more daunting.

 

[tungfa]

All this complexity makes submitting a proposal more daunting.

exactly
so stick to the "official" dash proposal way and done
https://proposal.dash.org/

 

[CaptAhab]

can i paste into a normal wallet? or do I need to upgrade to MN wallet.

 

[tungfa]

can i paste into a normal wallet? or do I need to upgrade to MN wallet.

for proposal ?
normal dashcore (proposals are not MN related - only voting on them)

 

[abob54]

Rod, I'm glad that DashCentral.org was able to let you post a description.

For some clarity, you are, of course, the proposal owner. You entered the payment address where funds will be sent. DashTreasury.org does not escrow any funds, it just simplifies the posting process and provided you with a subsidy. It also lent you a hand in getting your proposal onto reddit and linking some relevant pre-proposal discussion, as well as digging up your old Youtube channel to make things easier for the MNOs.

DashTreasury.org is one of several places where proposal owners can post pre-proposals and official proposals. Since its launch less than two months ago, it has received over 20 pre-proposals, with 6 of them converting to "paid" proposal like yours. (Both of the two proposals that are on track to pass this month were posted at DashTreasury.org and received subsidies.)

DashCentral.org is another site like DashTreasury.org. It was developed first, and offers a robust place for discussion. It does not offer proposal subsidies like DashTreasury.org. I believe that @rango, the admin of DashCentral, currently requires the payment receipt of the proposal submission to claim ownership on his site. Perhaps in the future, he will also allow proposal owners to claim ownership on his site by signing their payment address. The process on posting on DashCentral.org is very technically involved, which is why some people prefer to post on DashTreasury.org.

@jimbursch runs another similar site at https://fundchan.com/dashincubator. Jim's site has successfully launched official proposals as well, including Dash's Bug Bounty program which was funded last month. In addition to vetting, I believe that Jim's site focuses on crowdsourcing the funding for the 5 Dash fee.

The public Dash blockchain is the only "official" place that holds proposals. All other sites are "3rd party", labors of love, hobbies, decentralizing sites, whatever you want to call them. All sites that aren't the blockchain itself simply interface with the blockchain and are equally "official" or "unofficial". None of the current sites earn any money for themselves, and all serve the same purpose, which is to improve Dash by giving owners a place to submit proposals, and MNOs a place to discuss and view proposals.

 

[jimbursch]

@abob54 -- Thank you for the clarification! This is very helpful.

Just one correction -- DashBudgetWatch is now DashIncubator and it is located at https://fundchan.com/dashincubator

 

[CaptAhab]

Any chance someone can help me with a proposal, I appear to have failed to submit? I am 5 Dash down

 

[jimbursch]

@CaptAhab -- which of the services were you using to submit your proposal?

https://proposal.dash.org/
https://www.dashcentral.org/
https://www.dashtreasury.org/
other?

 

[CaptAhab]

https://proposal.dash.org/

 

[CaptAhab]

My PC crashed during the process.

 

[jimbursch]

My PC crashed during the process.

Ouch! I suggest posting the issue in the Support forum here:
https://www.dash.org/forum/topic/miscellaneous-dash-support-questions.74/

The more technically skilled tend to monitor the support forum more frequently.

Describe what happened and where you were at in the process when your PC crashed.

 

[Rod Ambrissi]

Rod, I'm glad that DashCentral.org was able to let you post a description.

For some clarity, you are, of course, the proposal owner. You entered the payment address where funds will be sent. DashTreasury.org does not escrow any funds, it just simplifies the posting process and provided you with a subsidy. It also lent you a hand in getting your proposal onto reddit and linking some relevant pre-proposal discussion, as well as digging up your old Youtube channel to make things easier for the MNOs.

DashTreasury.org is one of several places where proposal owners can post pre-proposals and official proposals. Since its launch less than two months ago, it has received over 20 pre-proposals, with 6 of them converting to "paid" proposal like yours. (Both of the two proposals that are on track to pass this month were posted at DashTreasury.org and received subsidies.)

DashCentral.org is another site like DashTreasury.org. It was developed first, and offers a robust place for discussion. It does not offer proposal subsidies like DashTreasury.org. I believe that @rango, the admin of DashCentral, currently requires the payment receipt of the proposal submission to claim ownership on his site. Perhaps in the future, he will also allow proposal owners to claim ownership on his site by signing their payment address. The process on posting on DashCentral.org is very technically involved, which is why some people prefer to post on DashTreasury.org.

@jimbursch runs another similar site at https://fundchan.com/dashincubator. Jim's site has successfully launched official proposals as well, including Dash's Bug Bounty program which was funded last month. In addition to vetting, I believe that Jim's site focuses on crowdsourcing the funding for the 5 Dash fee.

The public Dash blockchain is the only "official" place that holds proposals. All other sites are "3rd party", labors of love, hobbies, decentralizing sites, whatever you want to call them. All sites that aren't the blockchain itself simply interface with the blockchain and are equally "official" or "unofficial". None of the current sites earn any money for themselves, and all serve the same purpose, which is to improve Dash by giving owners a place to submit proposals, and MNOs a place to discuss and view proposals.

Hi @abob54 thank you for the clarification, and yes indeed submitting my proposal via Dash Treasury was very simple and easy, for someone like me the does not speaking as a first language it was very useful, I think the only glitch was when I try to claim ownership of the proposal at Dash Central and the address did not match, also someone mention to me I was not the owner off the proposal and that the funds would go that address that did not belong to me, got me really worried, I'm glad all this has been figure it out and I'm very happy my proposal was excepted in a very positive way and all these actually gave me the idea for the future to maybe create a portal in a different language where other international communities will be able to submit proposals in their onw language and then make it easy to display this for the MNO's to to vote.

Also I want to say a big thank you everybody involved in this discussion for giving me the proper and correct information.

 

[CaptAhab]

Rod, I'm glad that DashCentral.org was able to let you post a description.

For some clarity, you are, of course, the proposal owner. You entered the payment address where funds will be sent. DashTreasury.org does not escrow any funds, it just simplifies the posting process and provided you with a subsidy. It also lent you a hand in getting your proposal onto reddit and linking some relevant pre-proposal discussion, as well as digging up your old Youtube channel to make things easier for the MNOs.

DashTreasury.org is one of several places where proposal owners can post pre-proposals and official proposals. Since its launch less than two months ago, it has received over 20 pre-proposals, with 6 of them converting to "paid" proposal like yours. (Both of the two proposals that are on track to pass this month were posted at DashTreasury.org and received subsidies.)

DashCentral.org is another site like DashTreasury.org. It was developed first, and offers a robust place for discussion. It does not offer proposal subsidies like DashTreasury.org. I believe that @rango, the admin of DashCentral, currently requires the payment receipt of the proposal submission to claim ownership on his site. Perhaps in the future, he will also allow proposal owners to claim ownership on his site by signing their payment address. The process on posting on DashCentral.org is very technically involved, which is why some people prefer to post on DashTreasury.org.

@jimbursch runs another similar site at https://fundchan.com/dashincubator. Jim's site has successfully launched official proposals as well, including Dash's Bug Bounty program which was funded last month. In addition to vetting, I believe that Jim's site focuses on crowdsourcing the funding for the 5 Dash fee.

The public Dash blockchain is the only "official" place that holds proposals. All other sites are "3rd party", labors of love, hobbies, decentralizing sites, whatever you want to call them. All sites that aren't the blockchain itself simply interface with the blockchain and are equally "official" or "unofficial". None of the current sites earn any money for themselves, and all serve the same purpose, which is to improve Dash by giving owners a place to submit proposals, and MNOs a place to discuss and view proposals.

Hi abob54,

I am having difficulty posting my proposal up using https://proposal.dash.org/. the process cleared its self during the initial wait for confirmations, so I did it again with the same bit of code. When it finished I placed the final code into the wallet and got an error code. My proposal is here https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/...of-dash-by-uk-businesses-and-merchants.15770/ . If, as I fear I have lost the 5 Dash, (happy to provide proof) and I resubmitted my proposal through DashTreasury, would I be likely to get some of my lost 5 Dash back in any way? I am really sad because the three people behind the proposal have worked very hard to get it were it is.

Thanks

 

[abob54]

Hi abob54,

I am having difficulty posting my proposal up using https://proposal.dash.org/. the process cleared its self during the initial wait for confirmations, so I did it again with the same bit of code. When it finished I placed the final code into the wallet and got an error code. My proposal is here https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/...of-dash-by-uk-businesses-and-merchants.15770/ . If, as I fear I have lost the 5 Dash, (happy to provide proof) and I resubmitted my proposal through DashTreasury, would I be likely to get some of my lost 5 Dash back in any way? I am really sad because the three people behind the proposal have worked very hard to get it were it is.

Thanks

Hi @CaptAhab,

I'm really sorry to hear about your lost 5 Dash proposal fee. You aren't the first person who's had troubles submitting a proposal through the legacy system. Dash.org and DashCentral have great discussions but they don't make the proposal submission process any easier - it remains on those sites a precarious, complicated, and ultimately risky endeavour that probably leads to less proposals being submitted. Even veterans like Amanda B. Johnson have turned up in the Slack channel in fear of having lost her 5 Dash fee.

Your 5 Dash was "burnt". It exists no longer. If there's a way to use what information you have to successfully post from that fee already paid, I don't know it.

My best recommendation to recoop your loss would be to re-submit your proposal, and ask for that 5 Dash fee to be reimbursed (providing full proof of your loss, certainly.) It's still a risk, since your entire proposal would have to pass, but if it did, the first 5 dash fee would come back to you. (You'd ask for 140 Dash now, vs 135 Dash on your last proposal.)

So, yes, you could upgrade your pre-proposal on DashTreasury.org (here it is: https://www.dashtreasury.org/p-1982.prop) You can edit your pre-proposal before upgrading to an official one. You'll enter your own payment address - nothing goes through DashTreasury.

We'll subsidize your new proposal fee by 0.1 Dash, so you'd have to add 4.9 Dash. You'll notice that the process is easier than buying something on Amazon.com. It's how submitting a proposal should be (and hopefully the other submission sites will upgrade their processes accordingly.)

If you need any help at all, just contact us: https://www.dashtreasury.org/contact.html

Best - abob54

 

[CaptAhab]

Hi @abob54

Thanks for coming back to me. Can I just ask how do you fund Dashtreasury? and what proposals have been submitted through your site?

Best - Captahab