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Pre-Proposal Allyos

Discussion in 'Pre + Budget Proposal Discussions' started by Allyos, Feb 28, 2018.

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  1. Allyos

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    Project Proposal

    The Allyos Application – Intro to a New, simple Era by tokenizing the whole global product and service market. In simple terms: Anything for a dollar (and get DASH without mining)

    UPDATE: FYI we are going to update this proposal based on the comments so far. As the initial 100k USD Dash part in our Marketing & PR budget brought unnecessary financial pressure, focus on the real value and opportunity may turned away, we decided to set the right direction. We are not asking for any funding from Dash, we are offering an exchange of 300k USD of our own app token for the whole Dash community in order to test the mobile app and use it freely. Please watch the Allyos Intro video, check our website and most importantly download the App for Android or iOS from the website before you take part in this discussion. Thank you!

    Scope of the project

    “If you want to be happy, make others happy” – Dalai Lama

    The easiest way to think about Allyos is this: It is a totally new “everything tombola”. The core idea is extremely simple, Allyos has separated the price of every single item into 1-dollar portions. This 1 portion is 1 ticket, costs 1 USD for everyone. Meaning a 100$ worth item is 100 tickets. So far so good. What we had to patent in order to create the most balanced and leveled ecosystem for all users is our Time Limit System. By financializing time as a ledger and balancer, based on the universal fact that everyone has 24 hours a day, we have created, tested, developed and patented a brand-new desire driven ecosystem. Allyos is the world’s first product- and service-backed crowdsourcing mobile app with integrated charity and a prosperous community, and we called this: „Crowdshopping”. On Allyos you can get any premium or everyday product for as little as a dollar. That is a price of 1 ticket to get in, and you are locked out from that very same item for 1 hour in order to stop overfunding any item or offer. Once the full price is collected from the 1 dollar participations, the item is bought, 1 participant raffled as the winner of the item, and everyone else get their money back in a form of a discount voucher. Allyos is not an idea like most ICOs. Allyos is an ongoing working project in its 3rd phase where we re-opened membership for new users to check out, test, comment, feedback, share and see the concept as we are building a community here, and as a crowd-concept to work requires only one thing: Users! We technically would be able to let in 30.000 users from the DASH Community. For detailed information on the project you may visit our website and all major social channels.

    As we love and trust the blockchain concept and one of our co-founders is an early Bitcoin adopter from 2012 and a venture capitalist since, we have been keeping a very close eye on several cryptos and especially on Dash and its awesome community, sharing the thoughts of several DASH members like Max Keiser, Mark Mason, Steve Baldwin and Ryan Taylor. For this reason, we took the time and joined WorldBlockchainForum and DASH Conference in London #WBF #Allyos and were lucky enough to get Ryan’s attention for a few minutes during his busy schedule and presented him the Allyos app. He very much liked the idea and suggested that we propose it to the Dash Community and its incubator program for the greater and common good.

    Hence Allyos intends to integrate several cryptos in the near future, we decided to start an exclusive and dedicated offer to DASH to raise even more awareness for the currency this way introducing DASH to millions of potential users as well as offering the Dash community several mind-blowing unique opportunities.

    1. Top-up your Allyos wallet with DASH
      We open 4 dedicated top-up coupons for the amount of 50$, 100$, 500$ and 1000$. You can pay by DASH to our DASH wallet for these top-ups, so you can download the Allyos Lite app accredited and topped-up with the amount you purchased. You will be able to spend every dollar of this amount in the app, so you can get In any deals. DASH to USD exchange rate is the daily rate.
    2. Skip FIAT, spend DASH
      By using Allyos you don’t get caught up in the disturbing FIAT-Crypto exchange hassle. You can get anything you would ever want from Allyos. No need to exchange your crypto gains into FIAT. See, everything you would ever buy from your crypto gains, car, home, electronics, beauty products, fashion products, food or even travel or gift cards you can get in Allyos for the lowest price, guaranteed. You don’t buy these goods, you win them!
    3. The 1% ecosystem
      1% of the total weekly sales go to the Allyos users. This is one source of income for the Allyos community. In order to change society, we need a strong community. 1% of the total weekly sales go the community chosen charity. This is where you show sharing is caring.
    4. Crypto Split
      There are several awesome features in Allyos we haven’t even mentioned yet. One is the unique “Crypto Split” function. See, for regular users if you win a 1000$ worth item but you don’t want to get it shipped to you, you can “Split”, meaning 50% of the item price is added to your balance (In Indollar, as that is the official in-app currency). However, we came out an exclusive offer to the DASH community for a limited time, and if you top up your wallet by 100$, 500$ or 1000$, you get access to Level 1, 2 and 3 in the Crypto Split function, meaning 10%, 20% or 30% of your 50% split part can be exchanged to your favorite digital currency, DASH. That’s right, in this case taking the 1000$ worth of good, you just made 500 IND (Indollar), and if you are at Level 2 Crypto Split (20%, for the 500$ top-up) 100$ worth of DASH is sent to your DASH wallet.
    5. Get DASH without mining
      Yes. Easily, only with Allyos. Using the above example, you can create any amount of DASH for your own wallet simply by using Allyos. This is huge! No expensive tech investment, no geek knowledge, only the simpliest method, one touch on your screen.

    Problems today

    People all over the world are budget orientated and the world is slipping into bigger and bigger trouble and debt thanks to the central bankers and to their Ponzi scheme monetary and fiscal policies. Jobs are digitalized and automated, government statistical numbers are fake, we are getting false information on the economy, the “Nanny State” concept is just growing, stock market and gold prices are artificially manipulated as they are centralized, people take less and less responsibility for their own life, the educational and healthcare system don’t get any major update to keep up with the speed of the world, and they try to burden most people into debt for a total control. In short, we are currently not doing a great job applying one of the Golden Rules of this world, to hand out the globe in the same or better shape to our next generation as we inherited it. Decentralized, disruptive technologies like blockchain and cryptos have the power to bring a new era to this finally and can give the power and control back to the people. However, most companies and start-up projects focus on complex, technical, time and resource-consuming solutions or ideas on how to integrate new currencies (cryptocurrencies as well) into our everyday life, or how to fit their ideas into the blockchain technology. Unfortunately, some of the people behind these projects simply try to make a quick buck and leave. Truth is, most people can hardly understand and see all these so far.

    One major blocking problem that comes out at every blockchain and Bitcoin forum is the mass adoption. The industry still looking for the “One” project that can bring the change to the crypto world and provide the real and an easy breakthrough.


    Solution

    Allyos has changed the whole everyday concept of shopping and getting anything as a whole. We have been working on the most balanced real-life win-win-win ecosystem for over 2 years. Allyos has created and has been testing a clear platform for products and services that is simple and easy to use. It takes only a tap of a button, a touch on your screen to operate it. We also invented and patented an in-app wallet currency, the Indollar. Indollar is backed by the everyday goods, brands and services and limited by the users’ time. As everyone has the same amount of time, 24 hours a day, think of it as a ledger, a time blockchain. Allyos, with the patented concept of Crowdshopping, has created an innovative and exciting new lifestyle in a form of a mobile app for everyone to be able to become desire-driven while shopping, as not one person funds a certain product or service but several people who are also interested in getting that product. Everyone can opt in with $1 for an hour, and once the item price is collected, a participant gets raffled and wins the item. All the others get a discount voucher for the same item starting from 2%.


    From the integration of DASH cryptocurrency, the community will benefit as follows
    • Dash top-up payment option will be integrated, this way granting access fully to a trendy and luxurious product range on the app.
    • Due to our coming major global PR and marketing campaigns, DASH will be introduced to a huge number of potential new customers so the community can benefit from the expansion
    • DASH exchange rate can significantly rise as a result of increased demand and volume, market share will grow as Allyos buys DASH for the Crypto Splitters.
    • You will be able to exchange your DASH for premium and everyday goods and services starting from $1, so you can forget the FIAT exchange hassle.
    • You will be able to earn Free Dash by using the Allyos app

    Who we are

    We are a group of professionals consists of IT and mobile developers, early Bitcoin adopters, investors, economists, financial, marketing and communication experts. But mostly, we are humble and open learners of Life, and dedicated visionaries to society and our mutual home, Earth. Amongst several other successful developments, Allyos is a signature project of our portfolio.


    Why we are here

    Because Ryan Taylor asked us to be here :)


    What will success look like?
    • Increased awareness for DASH
    • We get feedbacks, recommendations and value from the DASH community, so we support each other in order to build an even bigger and more aware, happy community.
    • A globally recognized POS to exchange DASH for premium or everyday goods
    • Get DASH without mining in an effortless way
    • Major grow factor for the DASH community
    • The volume and exchange rate of DASH coin can easily skyrocket
    • Building a more equal, more fun and totally exciting new ecosystem together

    Budget

    Besides the top-up option via DASH, so we can get more users and speed up the process to a new level while you can use every penny, we want to focus on even more speed and make Allyos global even faster and open to new countries by a speed of lightning.

    Thanks to the co-founders Allyos has been self-financed all the time. We have received a few investment offers, also some co-operation offers from banks, but the Allyos concept meant to be for the users, with the users, and never for big institutions. This does not mean that we are not opened to offers. In fact, we are extremely opened to several needs:
    • We need to grow our community
    • We need to gain more users, as the Allyos “crowdshopping” concept needs one thing the most: crowd. Users.
    • We would love to team up with projects, companies and communities who share the same values and we can co-operate for common goods
    • We would love to see as many talented, creative, open, dedicated team members from all over the globe
    As a result, and to speed up the growing process, we have created a fairly big PR and marketing plan with a help of several outsourced expert companies focusing on:
    • Brand Awareness
    • Brand and concept everyday integration
    • Increased professional and expert team
    • Opening to 5 new countries, to make shipping and handling cheaper and more economic (currently the major focus is on Canada, USA, UK, Ireland and Australia)
    • Bigger and more advanced infrastructure, new software developments
    • Server upgrades to meet growing demands and traffic
    • Online marketing
    • Unique offline marketing
    A possible ICO is not out of question (only if we find the best full advisor team and the ideal balanced way between time and blockchain, as our token would be both security and utility, and supply limited by the user’s lifetime)

    The accepted total expenses of all the above is 440k USD, which of 340k USD will be financed by the core Allyos team, and we would like to involve the DASH community for the remaining 100k USD in DASH.

    With this accepted budget Allyos can keep the required speed of progress in the next 4 months, and possibly with the huge amount of DASH new users we will grow to astronomical levels together, to the MOON!

    Thank you very much!

    Allyos Core Team

    Watch the Intro video of Allyos on Youtube:
     
    #1 Allyos, Feb 28, 2018
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  2. GrandMasterDash

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    http://www.allyos.com/

    So, the tickets are recorded to a blockchain and then you verifiably prove which ticket won?
     
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  3. Allyos

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    Hello GrandMasterDash,
    Thanks a lot for the first question :) We are both excited and eager to reply to any requests or ideas.
    Well, the project right now works without the blockchain. The system is very simple, every item price is split to 1 units. 1 unit access is now based on "nature's blockchain", time. 1 unit eqials 1 hour. Once the target price is collected/reached, the system selects one unit randomly. This is the most fair system as all units are equal. Now. If we wish to place the whole concept to the blockchain (which has been on the table between the management for more than a year), it would be very ideal and clear. If we go to this direction, then just as you figured, all tickets/tokens/units would be recorded and clearly one would be raffled, and that ticket owner gets the item, all other ticket owners would get their discount.
    Should there be any more question please feel free to ask. Thank you!
     
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    How many users do you currently have?

    Also how exactly does this work? Let's say you have a 10$ product so 10 people buy 1$ tickets. 1 get's the product the other 9 get 1$ discounts that's a payout of 19$. Where exactly do these extra 9$ come from?
    And if I wanted to buy that product keep playing until I either got lucky and won it or had enough discount to get it for free. So your system is strictly better than buying normally. It sounds too good to be true.
    I probably misunderstood something and if you can clear that up ill surely vote for you proposal and maybe start using your product.
     
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  5. Allyos

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    Hi there TheSingleton, excellent points, thank you!
    Finally it is becoming fun. We love these questions and we have received them a lot in the last 2.5 years. No surprise, because in Allyos you need to think a completely different way. But once you figure it out, and see how easy and common sense it is, you won't want to think any other way :) So, let's get this right shall we:
    How many current users? The current application version for Android and iOS is the 4th version. Due to the fact that we wanted to test every single bits and pieces of the concept and also efficiently, we worked with limited users. The current "Beta-Tester" group is about 650-750, i will check it tomorrow morning with the IT guys if you require the exact number, i do apologize. The project flow is that now anybody can dowload the Lite Version for Free from the website, exactly for the reasons you just stated, people need to try and test the concept in real and in their hands. The app says a thousand words. After a couple of minutes, you will figure out the whole simple concept, and will see how easy and handy we put it together. So far we have been receiving Only (no kidding) positive feedbacks, which is extremely rare, so all signs are showing that we must be on a good path to form an awesome innovation. Now. The core purpose of this Lite Allyos app is to get in maximum 100.000 users, as our current infrastructure would be working idealy on that level. We are gifting all these downloaders with $1 gift top-up in the app. Thus, we can collect as many feedbacks and recommendations as we can, and we can still implement them in the next Live version, which is due to come out in around April 2018. That version will be fully live and global, and as planned would include most of the user feedbacks. See, this concept would not work without as many users as possible. But, once it has enough users, you will see something extraordinary.
    The $10 example? Your example of a $10 worth item is perfect :) Because that would not be available in Allyos. The math would not work. The product and service line price wise starts at about $100. I would suggest just buying everything below $100 from your local shop or Amazon :) So, the rules are the following, as it can be seen in the FAQ section. In every 1 hour every user can add $1 to any item. Every item is on offer for a limited displayed time. If within this timeframe the targeted item price is not collected, everyone gets their money back, the "campaign" was not successful in the given timeframe. If, the target price was collected, the sale is complete, one participant gets raffled, and everyone else get a discount coupon, starting at 2%. After that, every next round campaign gives you an additional 0.1% discount for the same item if you participated in it. The Lite App shows you this nicely. Let's take your idea and a $100 item for instance. 100 people put in $1, so 100x1=100$. The price is collected. One lucky guy gets the item for the price he/she put in, $1 in this example, everyone else, so 99 people get 2% discount for this very same item. That means, if you wish to buy this $100 item as not the winner, you need to fill up the remaining $98, as your current discount rate is 100-2=98$. If you are still interested in this product, because you want it badly, in the next round you will add 0.1%, so all together 2.1% discount if you are not the winner this time either. This line goes until the point that the system sees that we have let's say 2478 interested potential buyers with currently 6.4% discount rate as the highest, so our Product department gets in touch with the distributor and asks for the best price in a case of a sale of 2478 item. The distributor will say OK, in this case we give you 15% off, so our system sends out a push message and let's all the discount voucher owners know about the best possible offer, and starts the expiration countdown from 30 days.
    Therefore, also answering to your question of "Where exactly do these extra 9$ come from?", the answer is from nowhere. :) No such case.
    I believe the above also answered to your last question too. If not, please do not hesitate to send us any requests. THank you!
     
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  6. GrandMasterDash

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    I think it's best you get the app on Google Play first. And I'm going to feel a whole lot better if you can put together a system that verifiably proves (via the blockchain) the various conditions are being met.
     
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    That makes sense now. I'll be voting for you.

    As GrandMasterDash says if you could make the random ticket selection provably fair using the blockchain that would be neat. Though I don't think it is necessary.
     
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    Thanks again for the comment.
    Both of your points are absolutely right. I would also have a question. Have you downloaded and tried the app? The reason for this will be in the answers:
    We have been developing and trying to create the best possible version of all the feautures for the Google and Apple stores. This takes time, effort and lots of funds. And, we are nicely getting there, the officail global version for Android to the Play Store was ready in November, the iOS global version should be done in around April. Based on our marketing and brand development plan, we only launch both platforms in the same time. The current downloadable version is our so called "training-demo) version, so people can see the concept on their phones. They need to understand the limitless possibilities and the complete and balanced ecosystem that this concept can bring to the everyday life.
    Puting part of the process into the blockchain is like I mentioned on the table for more than 1 year by now. This is one reason why we are here :) We started seeking blockchain experts and advisors for this path. See, 99.8% of the people outhere don't have a clue about blockchain. And the Allyos system is working perfectly without it, as in very simple terms the selection process is a simple raffle, where everyone is equal, and implementing the time limit the whole process got the current most balanced way possible, giving a way to become a multi billion dollar business very soon, and a source of income for the users, not to mention reaching their dreams. You and me, we know the potentials of the blockchain, so we both would highly recommend to get and try the best possible technology for the better. So, here we go :)
     
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    Thanks a lot! :)
    You are absolutely right!
     
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    Hello there!

    I'm Peter Sarlos CTO at Allyos. If you guys have questions i'll be also here to answer.
    Feel free to ask or PM me!

    Thanks!
     
  11. GrandMasterDash

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    I didn't find your app on the Play Store, so maybe it's not compatible with my phone. But anyway, from what you're saying, I feel you're too early to talk about dash integration (I'm just one voice here).

    I know you say it's a "simple raffle", and I appreciate this might avoid some gambling laws. And I appreciate your audience may have little knowledge / interest of blockchain tech. However, I am cautious because of dash's reputation. Now, if you could use dash to verify the legitimacy of your operations, that would be a great badge to put on your product.
     
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    Hey there GrandMasterDash,

    Thank you for your message! As you may saw on our website both the iOS and Android apps are on a finalizing state. You cannot find them in application stores. We came here because now we are in the state when we can integrate several features before the planed "GO LIVE". As we mentioned above we have a "training" version of the apps and you can have your download links from our website. (but not from the application stores)

    Our raffle algorithm is a "blackbox". It simply pick one user from the "bucket" who put in token(s). We know that using blockchain technology to do the raffle might be a good way, but as now our system is nearly ready, i'm afraid we only could change the whole implementation with serious delay.

    As you might have seen on our webpage the concept cannot be judged as "gambling" because if you are not the lucky one who are the winner, than you'll have your discount voucher.

    So the 3 possible results on a product campaign :
    1. The product price was collected (Campaign successful) and you are the lucky one who won
    2. Another preson won the item (Campaign successful) and you get your discount voucher
    3. The product price could not be collected in the given time (Campaign unsuccessful) so every participant gets their money back

    Hope i could be some help for you but if not feel free to ask!
     
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    "Hence Allyos intends to integrate several cryptos in the near future, we decided to start an exclusive and dedicated offer to DASH to raise even more awareness for the currency this way introducing DASH to millions of potential users as well as offering the Dash community several mind-blowing unique opportunities."

    How long will the period of Dash exclusivity be?
     
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    Hi Name3,
    We appreciate your comment, keep them coming :)
    The exclusivity timeframe offer is basically based on the successful co-operation of both parties.
    If we see common gains and additions, the timeframe can be modified to "as long as we see it prosperous".
    Dash maintains most values that we prefer out of the others, so teaming up would be very ideal on several ways. Especially for current Dash holders and long term inestors.
    I hope it helps. Let us know if you have any other questions. Thanks!
     
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    Hi GrandMasterDash,
    No worries, i'm sure it is compatible, however as I noted above app is not available in the Play Store, you can dowload it from our website for both platforms. Store availability is planned in April as per our project flow and marketing plan.
    Dash integration would be very easy and can start right now thanks to the Allyos "crowdshopping" concept. This is why I asked you to check it out for yourself. I would like to point out one huge advantage for the first/only crypto that joins Allyos, and no other project can tell this. The "CryptoSplit" function. I give you and example. A $100.000 worth item is sold/won in the app. If you are CryptoSplitter, you can decide that you don't want to get this item, instead you want exchange it to crypto. In this case, to Dash. In this case, 50% of the item price is yours, that would be normally added into your app wallet in the current Allyos currency: Indollar. So, as an Exclusive Dash CryptoSplitter, you select 20% Crypto out of this $50.000, meaning you just made $10.000 worth of Dash, that we buy, and send to your Dash wallet.... Think about the consequences of this for a minute. And this is just one feature that we can provide with Allyos :)
    The concept is not gamble, we, or I should say 14 international lawyers, financial advisor and consultant for 3 months made sure of it.
    The Allyos concept works greatly without the blockchain, but the implementation would be a very positive and advanced addition. And Dash is one of the best candidates.
    Any further question is welcome! Thank you!
     
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    While I'm glad you are open to keeping it exclusive as long as it is prosperous for both of us, I think we do need to insist on some minimum amount of time to keep it Dash exclusive if we are going to give you funding.
     
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    Hi Name3,
    Fair enough.
    As we are open to all suggestions, may I suggest opening a specific discussion on this topic and see what your ideas would be?
    See, Dash has most if not all the requirements that we value and would be optimal for the Allyos project if we start the chain implementation on any way. However, the Allyos concept does not require any crypto envolvements in order to grow and work perfectly and gain huge awareness. As we are early Bitcoin adopters and huge blockchain supporters, at the London WBF and Dash conference we came to the final conclusion that we would prefer to work and team up with this community.
    We are unable to offer exclusivity on the crypto wallet top-up function, as that would not be fair to the rest of the crypto community and coins as a whole. But, we are indeed able and would willing to offer sole exclusivity for the CryptoSplit function. That would mean that all the crypto exchanges from the won items would be solely sent out in Dash. This option will powerboost Dash as a currency and would bring lots of new users to the crypto world, and they would know Dash as their first crypto. For most cases timewise we plan in quarters. We would suggest giving 2 quarters for this exclusivity in a case of successful proposal and to get into the incubator program. From that point, our communities should work a bit closer together, and we should create some common PR campaigns and if we see results at the 6th month, we would be happy to increase the exclusivity for 1 year. At the end of the first year, we evaluate the results, and decide about the future steps together. If all works perfectly, I would not close out the option of working with Dash solely in the future. I know this is a brave statement, as no one can see the future and this industry is very new and regulators will step in and the crypto world needs to fight back in order to prevent the core Satoshi ideas.
    Thank you very much, let us know about your thoughts.
     
  18. TheSingleton

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    Well, the other coins are not paying you. I don't know how valuable the CryptoSplit function is but I do think exclusivity for that is not enough.
    You should also have at least a 2 Quarter exclusivity for the crypto wallet top-up function.
     
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    Hi TheSingleton, and thanks as always!
    Let me put this in perspective in a moment please to give you a rough idea.
    Giving exclusivity for any crypto for our crypto top-up function is clearly out of negotiations. This is due to several reasons I'm sure you will 100% agree with:
    1, Our Legal Department would not allow it at all, as it would bring up several legal issues including providing monopoly on a free market.
    2, As a private company we have advertised, marketed and offered the crypto acceptance to several communitities in the last 7 months, and it was accepted highly positively. We already have from this time until this day over 7000 signups for this feature, including interest for topping up with Bitcoin, Ethereum and Litecoin. Currently we would not accept anything else, not even Ripple, no Monero and no ZCash, and definitely no BCash. Only Dash joins to this group. We very simply must keep our word and promise to these people, no matter what.
    3, It is not part of the proposal deal :)
    How valuable the CryptoSplit function is? Extremely! Allow me to give you some numbers please. The Allyos concept is tokenizing the whole global market space. It opens a totally new dimension. Not just to the crypto world, but to the average guy, to everyone out there. Think of it as Amazon on steroids. Based on our research and tests in the last couple of years, in the case of a 1 million user base Allyos would be valued at around 3.8 billion USD due to the wide product range. In the case of an average 20% CryptoSplitter rate this would mean roughly 100 million USD monthly completed sales, which would come to approx 20 million USD crypto purchase per month from Allyos side. So, your current one time 100k USD investment would bring 20 million USD Dash purchase at the market. Monthly. For 6 months in a row. That is certainly not a bad investment. And these are calculated with very low numbers, by the worst case scenario I should say.
    And I did not mention here the Dash brand awareness to the mass. See, Allyos will be dowloaded and used by the "masses". And what the crypto world needs the most right now and in the future? Mass adoption. Here you go. With this 6 months (perhaps 1 year) CryptoSplit exclusivity Dash will be the first crypto that hundreds of thousand of the average user comes across. Not Bitcoin, Dash. Most of them heard about Bitcoin as a crypto, but they get Dash. And I don't even want to get into the following flows, when they realize that they just opened a Dash wallet, and their wallet amount is just growing in FIAT. Guaranteed by the 20 million USD monthly Dash purchase. They are in the game.
    And, I don't even mentioned here one of our favourite features, the "1% of the weekly total sale goes to the user" one. We would be able to offer here the option of Dash payouts if the user requires it, but this would be a new feature request for the next app version, so we would need to separate money and time to develop it. But, it is just an idea of the vast possibilities that Allyos as an ecosystem can provide.
    Thanks a mill! Any questions out there let us know please. Let's go to the MOON! :)
     
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    If you already advertised to other cryptos I can understand why you can't make it exclusive to dash now.

    I think I am misunderstanding something again with how the CryptoSplit works. From your example above if somebody wins or buys an item they can decide not to take the item but instead get 50% of the price in Indollar (and part in Dash if they want). But why would anybody do that? If somebody bought a ticket for the item i would assume he actually wants it. If you win you could either get the X$ dollar item you want or X/2$ in Indollars unless something changes between buying the ticket and winning the choice seems obvious. And for people who buy the item using the discount unless they have a discount over 50% this also makes no financial sense.
    So I don't see how that would result in significant number of Dash being bought.

    Now the "1% of the weekly total sale goes to the user" if that was only for Indollar and Dash that could be quite valuable.
     
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    Dear TheSingleton,
    I'm really happy this part of the concept finally comes up as this is very very important.
    First of all I have to apologize for the late come back, normally on Fridays we have lots of business and finance related meetings and I had a very tight schedule, and as this topic is my department my team mates and the management had to wait for me to finish the day. I appreciate your understanding.
    So, and please stay with me on this. Once you start using the app, you will become as we call "Desire Driven". After a few days you will see that basically everything you and most of the people all over the world have been striving and working in all their life can be yours for $1. You clearly see your chances, and after a while you will realize that if you are not budget orientated, so you don't have to focus on the price/value factor, you just listen to your heart, there are about 10-15 items you would love to go for. Now, as you get some of those items, let's say your $150.000 dream car for $84, and your dream home, and your top of the line tech gadgets, and your vacation, and your food or electricity or fuel gift card, or anything that we put into Allyos and tokenize, you will gain a completely different everyday thinking. You will still get "In" to the current top iPhone even that you have 3 already won in Allyos. Because, what else you buy? As our original mission was always to try to create a complete, balanced, fair and user focused ecosystem, so you don't need to do anything else to get going in life but Allyos-ing, and finally have the time to find your personal purpose on this Earth in the short time you had been given, you will try to get your income within Allyos. Because it is easy, simple, fun and just common sense. Based on our live researches and long time customer behavior tests, you will still put a few dollars into the current top of the line iPhone. Or the current best laptop. Or the current most trendy sportcar. What else you buy if you don't have to give a damn about the price? So, after a very short time of using Allyos you will realize, hey, I can exchange them into Indollar again if I don't want to get my third Tesla delivered, or my 8th iPhone X again as I'm just the winner, so I just exchange it to Indollar and I will have a lot of spare money to stay in the game, or I can offer it to the current weekly Allyos Charity organization! See, as you can check it in our FAQ, Indollar is "pegged" to the USD when it is exchanged to, but once it is Indollar, you cannot exchange it back. It stays in the system, based on our patent, as "we sell time", so 1 Indollar worth 1 hour once it is in Allyos. -Stay with me, it is very simple and genious, not incident why several international investment banks offered us prices to get involved or for us to get out.- Now, we offer the exclusivity for 6 months Only to DASH to get all this money out of the system again back to the currency world, to a DASH wallet. Please, let it sink in.
    The above is just one real life case. As long as the Allyos logistic partnership is not complete, there will be so called "Inactive Markets". These are the countries and locations where even all the target prices in the app contain always the shipping and handling expenses, -so they are final to your door prices- in the first 1-3 years there might be locations where the delivery of the big items would cost a lot more. I give you an example: let's say Allyos is fully working in North America and Europe. But, as we work with global markets without limitations, someone in South Africa wins an item for $4 and this item target price was $20.000. There might be cases when the expenses of this item for shipping, handling, customs etc would be an extra $2000. In this cases our system let's the user know in advance that he/she is currently in an Inactive Market, so to get the won item there would cost let's say $2130 extra due to shipping and customs, he/she can decide to YES-get the product anyway, NO-the campaign gets cancelled so everyone gets their money back and the campaign starts again, SPLIT-so you rather just want 50% of the item price, as you don't wish to take on the hassle and extra expenses to get this item to your door, and you don't want to sell it on Facebook either. You can do this. Again, a real live case income and DASH gain potential for the exclusive crypto.
    In closing, let me give you an idea why DASH would be even better off if we don't accept it for crypto Top-Up in Allyos at all after 6 months for example (or, from day one). You will be surprised. See, the current problem with cryptos in the global financial world that they are currently racing against the petro dollar and about 190 other FIAT currencies. As they are not backed by anything, they are all doomed to fail. Cryptos right now are exchangeable in and out to FIAT and other cryptos. Well, Indollar is not. Indollar in Allyos is backed by all the branded well known and neccessary products and services, pegged to the USD when exchange it in, and pegged to the universal time when using it. So, we use and patented time as our current ledger. Everyone knows it, everyone can check it, and everyone has the same. Forever.
    Therefore, when you buy Indollar for your crypto, you inverted that amount into a system, that only can be used within the system, but this system is liveable/an ecosystem. You can get anything you want. AND THE ONLY EXIT ROUTE WILL BE DASH. You tell me if you think this is valuable. :)
    Have an awesome weekend, Dash goes to the MOON, and keep the questions coming, we are building THE future here together. THX!
     
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    I will not be voting for this. To say exclusivity would be unfair to other cryptos is ridiculous. I don't care what you've already advertised, change it. They're not funding you, so WTF. But what makes this really ridiculous is the claim about your legal department not allowing it for reasons of monopoly! Bloody hell, you're a two-bit startup, not a multi-national! Given such claims, this proposal has lost all credibility with me.
     
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    So if I'm understanding this right, it functions similar to something like MassDrop in the sense of the more users that want to obtain something, the better the price and the increased likelihood that users will be able to obtain it, and some lucky users will be able to obtain extremely cheaply by winning the raffle, encouraging more users to jump on.

    Even without Dash exclusivity, integration here could be very beneficial in terms of how much Dash is flowing around, and not to mention it could help you cut cost on goods and services. I think this is a great idea, personally and would definitely support it, as I've benefited greatly from other services with similar functions, but this sounds way more fun and a much greater value--both in terms of enjoyment and savings--for me as a consumer.

    As far as what you're asking for in the budget, could you maybe break that down and explain how the Dash is being spent on this project, and why Dash users in particular would benefit from contributing to your funding?
     
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    You make it sound like it's the default for a user to win a bunch of stuff for cheap. But not everybody can win.

    This just sounds more and more sketchy. I will have to vote NO on this.
     
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    Hello GrandMasterDash,
    Thanks a lot for your point of view.
    We handle our words like the blockchain works. Once something is out there, you can't change it. I'm sure you as a chain expert share the same values. :)
    For the crypto top-up exclusivity please let me emphasize you the above discussion, read it carefully and I point out once again that sole exclusivity would not be positive for Dash as a currency, it would might weak its currency market cap position (this is not financial advise).
    Thanks God and for our full team efforts that I can comfortably feel we have been successfuly accomplished the "two-bit startup" level around May 2017. And even though we had several great discussions at the World Blockchain Forum and Dash Conference in London including the one and only Ryan Taylor as well, we certainly can't remember everyone, but I can't recall you and us sharing or discussing all our financial, company, business structure details, and none of our outsourced business partners were there. I do truly apologize if I'm mistaken here.
    What I feel right now that the 100k Dash part in our marketing/PR/brand budget proposal brings unnecessary pressure to this discussion and we don't want to lose focus on the great partnership, opportunity and innovation that we both can bring to the table. As a solution for once and all, we would like to make the above proposal even more exclusive to Dash as a community, so we offer 2 options:
    A. Let's raise the 100k to 300k and we give you the same 300k in Indollar topped-up in the app, and full and free access to it in the mobile app. In this case the full Dash community can use and spend the 300k. We can separate the 300k into smaller amounts like $10,20,50,100,200,500,1000 (these activation key amounts are ready) activation codes, so Dash can share it between the whole community and current users, everyone can enjoy it.
    B. Raise it to 200k and we create something out of the box, we give Dash a "1% total weekly sales" position, and 1% will be dedicated to Dash for 4 weeks, or as long as the the amount won't reach the original 200k.
    We hope the above helps eliminating any financial pressure in order to keep the focus on the common good progress and the opportunity here.
    Thanks a lot as always, please keep all comments, views, suggestions coming! Cheers!
     
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    Hello Arthyron,
    Awesome, thank you! :)
    We wanted to investigate and learn the MassDrop business method, so we can clearly take a stand on it before replying anything to you. Based on what we have learned in a few hours, MassDrop similiarity would be about 20% to Allyos. I won't get into details or want to evalue anyone's business, but I should say we maintain a lot more sophisticated and premium level, not to mention our Time Limit System patent what gives the soul and balance to the whole tokenizing concept. Thank you very much once again for the info and feedback on this, highly appreciated!
    I would really recommend you downloading the Allyos Lite app from our website www allyos com for both Android and iOS, check it around and see the huge difference in all parts for yourself. In fact, we would like you to drop us a line to our contact e-mail, so we can offer you something really personal that you might appreciate :) Go ahead and click on send now.
    Well, I hope we have solved the really frustrating financial issue with our latest superior exclusive offer, so if Dash community selects any of the options on the table, you will have a lot of money to enjoy Allyos and this great partnership :)
    Thanks a lot again, have a great weekend! Should you have any question please let us know anytime on any channel.
     
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    Hi TheSingleton,
    Well, somebody will win, and nobody can lose. And that's not too bad. :)
    There is absolutely nothing sketchy or extraordinary here, this is a basic feature in the app. You will see once you start using it and you might even like it once you get use to it.
    We would be very sad to see you go to the No side, especially as once you already stated above you will be go for Yes for sure. If you would take a very friendly advice from me and simply download the app and check how it would change the everyday life for a lot of people, and you might find it even fun. Let me know if you disagree after testing it. Thank you!
     
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    @Allyos -- Thanks for your reply, I downloaded the demo app to check out, and it looks and functions fairly similarly to how I imagined/expected. The 20% similarity to MassDrop is, I believe, a pretty accurate assessment. I really, really like this idea as I understand it. Could you elaborate a bit more about the point where Allyos reaches out to the manufacturer and discount vouchers are sent to users. If the users participated in the "raffle" and receive the voucher, are they obligated or locked in to purchasing the item at that discounted price? At what point does an "IN" turn in to a commitment to purchase the item? That's really the only part that I'm not understanding.

    @GrandMasterDash -- I'd encourage you to download the app mockup and check it out and carefully re-read Allyos explanation. It took me a few passes of reading the explanation, but having Top-Ups available to other cryptos doesn't matter because that just brings more money in to the Allyos app, which is turned in to Allyos tokens. The only money going *out* is in the purchases Allyos makes on behalf of winners, and through the Cryptosplit, which they're offering exclusivity in Dash, if I'm not mistaken. That's huge. All sorts of cryptos go in, but--assuming we seal the deal with this proposal--only Dash goes out. If the app takes off, that funnels *so* much traffic through Dash, even if they ultimately convert it back to their favorite crypto eventually, and let's be honest, of the options out there, Dash is the best equipped to handle this kind of traffic. It will force Allyos users who want to take rewards in cryptosplit to use Dash and see how well it performs. Not to mention, Allyos would be making regular enormous purchases of Dash in the markets to be able to fund the cryptosplit payouts.

    They're also basically offering the Dash community a measure of the proposal funding back in usable tokens for items in the recent posts. I don't know how everyone will feel about that on ethical terms (i.e. basically everyone collectively profiting on a personal level from treasury funds), but that's a better ROI than Dash has seen from almost every other proposal so far. Let's also not forget the huge impact this could make through charitable contributions.

    Seriously, people, look in to this, carefully read through, take the time to understand what is being offered here. There's a lot of potential here and the asking prices isn't that high. If we can get a solid legal agreement between Allyos and Dash Core on behalf of the DAO, this would open up a lot of opportunities.
     
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    @Arthyron I understand but I think it's his style that rubbed me up the wrong way, especially when he talked about monopolies. Your assessment of the system seems more fair, whereas the OP seemed to be emphasising the raffle side, which IMO is the wrong approach. So yes, I hear you, but delivery of this pre-proposal made me cautious.
     
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    @Allyos -- A lot of people are probably going to base their assessment off of what is posted in the initial post, and you've since added additional possibilities in terms of exclusivity and options for funding in subsequent posts. I'd recommend you update the original post with this information to reflect these new/updated offerings, so those who only skim the first post will see these subsequent changes you've made. Most people are too lazy to read through entire threads.

    Also, I think infographics or videos (even a video walkthrough of the app) might be helpful in this case, because based on some of the responses I've seen in other channels, I think a lot of people are either having trouble understanding your explanation or not taking the time to thoroughly read through and understand it and are hastily writing it off as something it's not. I think your proposal has a huge value, having used crowd-purchasing services before and having spent time looking through your app, but it has to be digestible for MNOs with shorter attention spans or who are not willing to read pages of information if you want it to pass, unfortunately.
     
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