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that is a problem at OB
there is a bug report since 2 days going on
 

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do you OB people "need" anything ?!
I am not sure , support in any way, i could get out there towards the community and look for " whatever you are looking for"
I think this is a very important project for DRK and i am happy to support in any way !
just shoot and i can see what i find ....>>
 

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Hopefully not discussed already but people tend to hate multisig and previous multisig operations are lagging behind. There are also major headaches associated with refunds. I would advise avoiding it if possible.
 
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Hopefully not discussed already but people tend to hate multisig and previous multisig operations are lagging behind. There are also major headaches associated with refunds. I would advise avoiding it if possible.
What would you suggest as an alternative to Multi-sig? When are refunds not a headache?
 
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I'm trying to get in touch with shesek behind bitrated. Ask if its okay to make a drkrated. Also we will need to get incorporated like them. Something I am hesitant about.
"This website is run by HumanInternals, a partnership incorporated under the laws of the state of Israel, + This website is run by Bitrated Ltd, a company incorporated under the laws of the state of Israel,"-https://github.com/shesek/bitrated/commit/bfaa348b228488e9ab451af8bcb9b043abb4053a
I must admit this is a little over my head, Permission from shesek isn't the problem. Might the Darkcoin Foundation be interested in DrkRated LLC? I'll leave this up to them. I Thank you very much.
 

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OB is running on multi signatures right ?!
so we gotta follow their lead
 
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The current status is that be basicly need to work more on darkcoin software. That's why I created that call for devs thread else where.

We need to improve multisignature support, maybe add a gui to Qt and/or port multibit-drk and electrum-drk. In addition we need to port some bitcoin libs in different programming languages to help adoption. If we can master this, we can continue looking at open bazaar, the integration should not be that hard at all.
 

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I've been messing with the alpha for awhile now. It's very confusing and definitely not ready for prime time use. It would be easy to fork it to work with Darkcoin but instead a better option would be to add altcoin selection as an option to the core OpenBazaar.
 
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I tried to ask in their thread a couple of times, didn't get any meaningful reply, so it's safe to say they haven't coded a single line for it yet.
They have definitely coded a bunch of lines , otherwise OB would not be launching 2.0 !
I tried to get on before (some weeks ago) but there were still many bugs,
now that should be working much better !!

Try it out and report back !
 

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They have definitely coded a bunch of lines , otherwise OB would not be launching 2.0 !
I tried to get on before (some weeks ago) but there were still many bugs,
now that should be working much better !!

Try it out and report back !
I was replying to vertoe who asked what Stealthcoin has done wrt OB.
 
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Now that we are open sourced, any new development about integration with Open Bazaar?
 

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seems they are getting it together ...>>
 
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are you guys ok over here or are you still looking for a Phyton guy ?!
 

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We have been approached by a lot of altcoins to incorporate into the platform, we’ve been approached by people who want to make it an app coin, we’ve been approached for some seed funding as well. And we haven’t gone down any of those paths because we wanna make sure that the community recognises that we’re not doing it for our own profit, that this is not vapourware, that we’re not making promises that we can’t keep…”
Should this be a concern?
 

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Should this be a concern?
I'm still not seeing that anything actually needs to be done. What am I missing?

Seller on OB advertises Magic Jellybeans for 123DRK. Buyer contacts seller to buy them. They either just do the deal themselves or do the deal via a notary, who uses a multisig DRK address for escrow.

Where is the need for integration? OB is currency-agnostic, unless something has changed since I last looked at it? OB should certainly remain currency-agnostic too IMO, or we're just going to end up with another ebay/paypal horror. It's supposed to be a free platform for free trade, no restrictions on what, who, which currency.
 
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Shit... This really worries me... :what:

I REALLY think we need to be EXTREMELY careful, only because we are called "Darkcoin". We should make the utmost effort to emphasise we are not illegal-promoters, but anonymity promoters.

http://www.coindesk.com/european-prosecutors-launch-project-combat-online-dark-markets/

Just had this thought. If OB has no central authority, then that means that no one can actually block guns/drugs/etc .. or can this be achieved through the notaries? Damned be my limited time right now. I really must catch up on OB.
 

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Shit... This really worries me... :what:

I REALLY think we need to be EXTREMELY careful, only because we are called "Darkcoin". We should make the utmost effort to emphasise we are not illegal-promoters, but anonymity promoters.

http://www.coindesk.com/european-prosecutors-launch-project-combat-online-dark-markets/

Just had this thought. If OB has no central authority, then that means that no one can actually block guns/drugs/etc .. or can this be achieved through the notaries? Damned be my limited time right now. I really must catch up on OB.
Darkcoin is a tool for anonymity. OB is a tool for anonymity. As a matter of fact, a Halloween mask is a tool for anonymity. No one would ever seriously consider attempting to prosecute manufacturers of masks because someone used them to commit a crime. The developers of Darkcoin and of OB are NOT creating tools which are intended for illegal activities at all...just like the makers of mask are NOT intending that their masks be used for illegal purposes.

No one would prosecute a car manufacturer because a car is used as a getaway car. As a matter of fact, no one even prosecutes gun manufacturers because a gun is used to commit murder.

It would therefore only be logical to recognize that it would be absurd to prosecute the developers of OB because some individuals started using it for illegal purposes. I think it's time to put that idea to bed once and for all.

I will go further and say that we are moving into a new phase of social organization, and that the internet, and cryptocurrency and anonymity technologies will play a big part in this. Just as it was considered "revolutionary" to many to abandon rule by monarchy in favor of democratically elected republics (even by many of those who would stand to benefit from the new-found freedoms, but who were still caught in the older mindset) so too it is now considered "revolutionary" to abandon strict governmental regulation and control of money and even certain forms of information, in favor of of the free and unfettered use of money (of which I include cryptocurrency) and TRULY free speech and the exchange of ideas. Just as the 18th century is widely viewed as a period during which liberty began being seized by revolution, I believe that the 21st century will be when even greater liberty will be seized by revolution. I also believe (and hope) that the revolutions brought about by information technology in the 21st century will be much more peaceful than those of the 18th.

And...now I will get off my soapbox! :)
 

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Darkcoin is a tool for anonymity. OB is a tool for anonymity. As a matter of fact, a Halloween mask is a tool for anonymity. No one would ever seriously consider attempting to prosecute manufacturers of masks because someone used them to commit a crime. The developers of Darkcoin and of OB are NOT creating tools which are intended for illegal activities at all...just like the makers of mask are NOT intending that their masks be used for illegal purposes.

No one would prosecute a car manufacturer because a car is used as a getaway car. As a matter of fact, no one even prosecutes gun manufacturers because a gun is used to commit murder.

It would therefore only be logical to recognize that it would be absurd to prosecute the developers of OB because some individuals started using it for illegal purposes. I think it's time to put that idea to bed once and for all.

I will go further and say that we are moving into a new phase of social organization, and that the internet, and cryptocurrency and anonymity technologies will play a big part in this. Just as it was considered "revolutionary" to many to abandon rule by monarchy in favor of democratically elected republics (even by many of those who would stand to benefit from the new-found freedoms, but who were still caught in the older mindset) so too it is now considered "revolutionary" to abandon strict governmental regulation and control of money and even certain forms of information, in favor of of the free and unfettered use of money (of which I include cryptocurrency) and TRULY free speech and the exchange of ideas. Just as the 18th century is widely viewed as a period during which liberty began being seized by revolution, I believe that the 21st century will be when even greater liberty will be seized by revolution. I also believe (and hope) that the revolutions brought about by information technology in the 21st century will be much more peaceful than those of the 18th.

And...now I will get off my soapbox! :)
Totally true!
But that does not mean prosecutors use common sense and logic. Look at what is happening to Charlie Shreem!

This is the stupidity that worries me
It describes the illegal players in these seven steps, including dealers, bulletproof hosting providers, web admins, website sellers and customers and money mules.
 

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Totally true!
But that does not mean prosecutors use common sense and logic. Look at what is happening to Charlie Shreem!

This is the stupidity that worries me
Wikipedia:

Shrem was indicted on April 10, 2014 on accusations of "operating an unlicensed money transmitting business, money laundering conspiracy and willfully failing to file suspicious activity reports with banking authorities."[28] On September 4, 2014, he pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of aiding and abetting unlicensed money transmission. His sentencing date was set for January 20, 2015.[29][30]

Shrem did not simply create an anonymity tool, but was found to be actively involved in actual activities or businesses which were deemed illegal. This is a different thing. (I am also not saying that I agree or disagree with the outcome of his case.)

To give an even better example: It would be absurd to prosecute the inventors of SMS (text messaging) because drug-dealers and their customers can use it to communicate (even in code, or coded language). Likewise, it would be absurd to prosecute the developers of OB because drug-dealers and their customers could use it to communicate. I really see this as a non-issue, and feel that it is unfortunate that we live in such an atmosphere of paranoia regarding the legal exercise of our personal freedoms that exercising them seems "risky," from a legal perspective.

I say that the developers should continue their good (and quite legal) work, unfettered by such fears. Furthermore, they should go to bed at night knowing that any bad which their tool can be used for will be FAR outweighed by the good.
 

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is part of the wider Dev Team (Python guy) and will start working on the OB integration soon.

in the moment he take a look onto current electrum integration status and will then start work on the OB !
this is great news for DRK and we should give him any support he needs !
 
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